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Ok, here's my stupid story... This is my #1, save from a burning building, pry from my cold, dead hands bass. It's the best bass I've ever owned, and I've never played another one that sounds like it.

It started life as an SX SJMB-62 (before Kurt dubbed all SX basses "Ursa"), that I bought 12 years ago, and modded the hell out of it. Including reshaping the headstock... and then replacing the neck about 10 years later (these are old photos).
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I paid $150 for the bass and about that much again in upgrades, and it sounds and plays better than the American Standard Jazz that I paid $1,100 for... So I sold the Fender. I literally get excited about playing this bass, even after all these years. Sometimes when I practice, I find myself enjoying the tone so much that I stop paying attention to what I'm playing!

So, in case I haven't driven the point home enough... I absolutely love this bass. My problem is; I love the way it sounds with flatwound strings, and I love the way it sounds with roundwound strings. With flats, it totally cops the John Paul Jones tone, and it still sounds growly and aggressive (though some of that I attribute to the Ernie Ball Cobalt flats). With rounds on, though, it can't be beat... It's a legit monster. But I find myself going back and forth between flats and rounds. When I have rounds on it, I miss the way it sounds with flats and vice versa. I've never thought that the tension differential between rounds and flats could be good for the neck, and it's probably part of the reason why I had to replace the first one.

Since I've replaced the neck, it's only had rounds on it, and I figured that some day, I'll pick up a cheap Jazz Bass and put the same pickups in it that are in the Jag (Fender Pure Vintage '74s), and put flats on that. I know it probably won't sound exactly the same, but I figure it'll sound close enough to satisfy me.

I've been working some extra hours the last few weeks, so I have a little expendable income, and thought this would be a good time to make a frivolous purchase. :D Now if Kurt were not laboring under the impression that the world has abandoned bass guitar for bass ukulele, I'd have an SX Ursa 2 on the way from New Hampshire as we speak... No doubt. But since that's not the case, I was forced to look elsewhere.

I like some of the Squire CV basses, but I don't even want to spend that much money, and trolling the usual used sources proved unrewarding and tedious. The ones I'm interested in are either too new, or too precious to make much of an appearance on the used market. Plenty of Affinities and VMs, but barely any CVs.

So then I thought: "What about Harley Benton?". I know they're good guitars, and everybody loves them, but I haven't seen a guitar that they offer that I've had more than a passing interest in, and I don't think I've ever even looked at their basses. So went on Thomann to see what they had, and this caught my eye:
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A Harley Benton JB-75... I've always wanted a Jazz Bass (or a Strat) in natural ash, and I would have ordered the SX version from Rondo if they had it. This bass costs $152 (cheaper even than Rondo), so I went to YouTube to see what people had to say about it. Turns out, everybody loves it...






And I think it sounds great too (as much as you can tell from a YouTube video, anyway). I listened to a blind comparison of this bass, a Fender 75 Jazz Bass (I don't know if that's a model, or a Jazz Bass made in 1975), a Sire Marcus Miller V7, and a Sandberg California II, and it turns out I liked the sound of the HB the best with the Fender a close second (I actually thought the HB was the Fender).



So, mind made up right? Well, not really. Because while I was on YouTube, I came across this:
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A Harley Benton Enhanced MP-4

It's not a Jazz Bass, but I really like that body shape. Like a sleeker, more streamlined version of a P-bass. There is a Jazz Bass version of it too (MJ-4) but I think I like the MP-4 body style better. Both of these are licensed copies of the Sandberg California Series basses, BTW.
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Here's a video where they compared the MJ-5 to the Sandberg it's modeled after. While the HB doesn't sound quite as good as the Sandberg, they don't sound worlds apart, either:



They cost $300 and have a lot of top-shelf features that I would never dream of finding on a bass of that price, like a pre-amp with 3-band EQ, STAINLESS STEEL frets, wheel truss-rod adjustment, etc. I know this takes me away from my original goal to make a tonal clone of my #1, but the premium accoutrements and the aesthetics of the MP-4 (P-bass version) are having a strong pull on me.

There are some caveats, though. A lot of people complained that the output of the MM humbucker and split P pickup are imbalanced. That doesn't concern me so much, as I'll probably change the pickups anyway, but another complaint is that the bridge pickup is very bright due to its close proximity to the bridge... That does bother me, as I have run into that problem before with an SX Ursa 4 Hum. I can't post any more pictures, but it also has an MM humbucker rather close to the bridge, and I went through a lot of trouble trying different pickups before I found one that tamed those highs. That pickup wouldn't be appropriate for an active bass, though (way high output), and I think a pickup with lower wind count and impedance would sound brighter by nature, which would contribute to the problem.

The only active basses I've ever liked were Musicman Stingrays and Sterlings (not to be confused with their unfortunately named budget brand), so I may likely ditch the pre-amp, especially if it's of budget Chinese quality. But it still won't sound like a Jazz bass. I'd also like to knw what the rout looks like under the pickguard. If it's specifically routed for a P-bass pickup, or if it's more of a generic hole.

I suppose the only person around here who would know anything about these basses is [mention]dabbler[/mention] (hell, he probably owns half a dozen of each model in every finish they come in ;) ), and I probably could have just brought this up in a PM, but I know there's at least a handful among us who play bass, and content is good for the forum's SEO. :D

So, has anyone played/owned any of these three Harley Benton basses?
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How about

SX Ursa 2 LT MN Alder Lake Placid Blue Medium Scale Bass Advanced Order
https://www.rondomusic.com/product10345.html

?

I saw it posted last night. I'd like to play bass and banjo as bad as I play guiter, but my zero or 1 blue guitar (stringed instrument) has been filled.
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Also have you looked at or tried any hardluckkings?
Prices are good, especially for a mod platform. The prices vary from day to week, but they move their inventory and if you miss one you like, it'll probably be back in 4-6 months.

I have a spyder guitar that fits its purpose and I know TJ has one or 100 hlk's, though that doesn't really mean an endorsement.
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You forgot one super cool Harley Benton JB-75 YouTube video. ;)

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Being on the fence, I think that makes the $150 player the probable winner. For $300 when it's got features you won't use, pickups in the wrong place, it just seems like a lot of risk.
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I had the HB JB75 in sunburst 7 really liked it. Came well set up, sounded good & was sharp to look at. Played it several times in church & got good compliments.

I later bought an IYV/IVY IJZ-300. It arrived with a wonky neck, so I returned it to Amazon. I noticed the price had dropped so I purchased another. It arrived in great shape. Loved the sound of the pups, played very well (for my thumper style of bass playing).

I grew to like it better than the J75 & had the opportunity to sell the J75 so I did.

Another friend was looking for a bass, the IJZ-300 was not in stock, so I bought another HB JB75, this time in natural. The bass has been a bit of a bear to dial in. I am still (slowly) working on getting it set up properly. It is/will be a nice instrument, but I still like the sound of the IJZ-300 better.

Just to throw it out there... I also have a left handed SX Ursa 2 bass (3 of my 4 kids a lefties). Unfortunately, it sits & gathers dust:( But I bring it up to say that all three basses are solid instruments, with beautiful ash bodies & good values for the money. I would recommend any of the 3, but give the IJZ-300 a slight nod over the other 2.

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ID10t wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:27 pm How about

SX Ursa 2 LT MN Alder Lake Placid Blue Medium Scale Bass Advanced Order
https://www.rondomusic.com/product10345.html

?

I saw it posted last night. I'd like to play bass and banjo as bad as I play guiter, but my zero or 1 blue guitar (stringed instrument) has been filled.
I was just thinking the other day that he hasn't had any of those SX basses posted lately, mostly just the higher dollar Brice models. I have never owned a bass in my life, and I currently own zero Rondo instruments. Maybe my next new guitar should only have 4 strings?

For those who own SX basses - are they pretty usable right out of the box for someone that's just going to goof around with it in the living room? Wondering if the current version would stack up to [mention]Mossman[/mention] 's historical version.

Also noticed that this is a "medium scale" that is 2" shorter than normal. Would that require different/special strings?
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ILuvTeles wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:55 am I had the HB JB75 in sunburst 7 really liked it. Came well set up, sounded good & was sharp to look at. Played it several times in church & got good compliments.

I later bought an IYV/IVY IJZ-300. It arrived with a wonky neck, so I returned it to Amazon. I noticed the price had dropped so I purchased another. It arrived in great shape. Loved the sound of the pups, played very well (for my thumper style of bass playing).

I grew to like it better than the J75 & had the opportunity to sell the J75 so I did.

Another friend was looking for a bass, the IJZ-300 was not in stock, so I bought another HB JB75, this time in natural. The bass has been a bit of a bear to dial in. I am still (slowly) working on getting it set up properly. It is/will be a nice instrument, but I still like the sound of the IJZ-300 better.

Just to throw it out there... I also have a left handed SX Ursa 2 bass (3 of my 4 kids a lefties). Unfortunately, it sits & gathers dust:( But I bring it up to say that all three basses are solid instruments, with beautiful ash bodies & good values for the money. I would recommend any of the 3, but give the IJZ-300 a slight nod over the other 2.

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uwmcscott wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:26 am
ID10t wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:27 pm How about

SX Ursa 2 LT MN Alder Lake Placid Blue Medium Scale Bass Advanced Order
https://www.rondomusic.com/product10345.html

?

I saw it posted last night. I'd like to play bass and banjo as bad as I play guiter, but my zero or 1 blue guitar (stringed instrument) has been filled.
I was just thinking the other day that he hasn't had any of those SX basses posted lately, mostly just the higher dollar Brice models. I have never owned a bass in my life, and I currently own zero Rondo instruments. Maybe my next new guitar should only have 4 strings?

For those who own SX basses - are they pretty usable right out of the box for someone that's just going to goof around with it in the living room? Wondering if the current version would stack up to @Mossman 's historical version.

Also noticed that this is a "medium scale" that is 2" shorter than normal. Would that require different/special strings?
There are a whole group of people as crazy about SX bases over on talkbass as were the sx telemaniacs here. Probably 100 hours of reading.
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I will add that I've had an SX Strat which was an absolutely killer guitar as far as the wood goes. Just needed some better plastics and pickups, but seriously an amazing buy.

Also a reminder, ASH models are the premium / top of the SX line. I doubt you'll go wrong there
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Why you gotta call me out like that @Mossman? :lol:

So let me start with the easy stuff, I have 5 string versions of both matte ash enhanced Harley Bentons. They are both awesome values! I love both of 'em.

OK, so here's the rub. They were initially speced with Alnico pups. But somewhere along the line they started using ceramic pups. There's nothing really wrong with ceramic pups (though they should have changed the specs before somebody called them out on it) BUT the tone and outputs are typically different. MY Enhanced MP just happens to have a ceramic P and an Alnico at the bridge (which mellows out the bridge response a bit) and THAT set is so well matched, I'm shocked!

Anyways, what you will PROBABLY get, if you order one new, will be 2 ceramic pups. You can, of course replace either or both of them, but my advice would be to first do a series/parallel mod on the bridge pup. That would also take some of the high end off.

At any rate, if I were you, and it was my money, I would go ahead and get the Enhanced Harley Benton. It's an awesome bass at a great price!

I do also have a sunburst J-75. I don't play it much because I like the neck profiles on my SX basses better.

I also have an SX Hum and I'm not crazy about Hums paired with J pups anyway, but I bought it to try something. What I did with mine was mod the bridge hum with 2 switchpots in a way that allows me to choose either coil of the hum, OR put both coils in series or parallel, AND with another switchpot I can leave both pups in parallel (like it normally would be) or put whatever I have chosen for the bridge pup in series with the neck pup (I put a regular series/parallel mod on all of my passive player Js). I mostly play this bass with the front coil of the hum in parallel with the neck, which kinda approximates a J with 60s pup spacing (and the rear coil with the neck kinda approximates 70s spacing) but anyway THAT bass is SOOOOOO flexible!

I hope something I said was helpful, let us know what you get, and don't forget the pics!
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uwmcscott wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:26 am
For those who own SX basses - are they pretty usable right out of the box for someone that's just going to goof around with it in the living room? Wondering if the current version would stack up to @Mossman 's historical version.

Also noticed that this is a "medium scale" that is 2" shorter than normal. Would that require different/special strings?
1. Yes, but you might want to adjust the setup.
2. Probably. Most sets are sold for specific scale lengths. The reason it matters is you don't want the full string thickness of the E or A wrapping around the tuner.
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dabbler wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:17 pm 1. Yes, but you might want to adjust the setup.
Thanks - would you say the stock hardware is usable/functional/adjustable enough? AKA - would they be equivalent quality to say an SX Furrian/Hawk? I had a Furrian and while the tuners were not the greatest, everything worked and was playable as purchased.
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uwmcscott wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:38 pm
dabbler wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:17 pm 1. Yes, but you might want to adjust the setup.
Thanks - would you say the stock hardware is usable/functional/adjustable enough? AKA - would they be equivalent quality to say an SX Furrian/Hawk? I had a Furrian and while the tuners were not the greatest, everything worked and was playable as purchased.
Yes. While I have modded my share of SX basses, I have players where the only change I've made was shielding.
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[mention]Mossman[/mention] Thanks for the nice detailed thoughtful gear lusting post. Its like old times again. :) I agree about the nat ash black block bass lust. I've been on the edge of getting that 10 times from rondo. I will tell you so far I'm not a fan of my jbass pickups. I love the pbass thump. My fav bass is my kawaii p-j combo and that makes for a nice combo of sounds. That's what kept me from buying the sx. I was waiting for the p-j ver to come back.
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ID10t wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:27 pm How about

SX Ursa 2 LT MN Alder Lake Placid Blue Medium Scale Bass Advanced Order
https://www.rondomusic.com/product10345.html

?

I saw it posted last night. I'd like to play bass and banjo as bad as I play guiter, but my zero or 1 blue guitar (stringed instrument) has been filled.
Thanks, I saw that this morning, but I prefer 34" scale.

You don't have room in your heart for more than one blue instrument? I have to admit, I don't have much of a desire for blue guitars, myself. Except for true Lake Placid Blue. What is that, you may ask? Only I know for sure, and I have no way of transmitting it to anybody else, because everybody has their own idea of what LPB is supposed to look like, and I have nothing to use as a real-world reference. I just know it when I see it. :lol:
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toomanycats wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:23 am You forgot one super cool Harley Benton JB-75 YouTube video. ;)

Haha! That WAS you! I saw the thumbnail for the video and thought: "Hey that guy looks like TMC... Or John Petrucci... (I was on my cell phone), but I didn't have time to watch it, and it slipped my mind until just now. Great playing, man!
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Mossman wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:06 pm
ID10t wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:27 pm How about

SX Ursa 2 LT MN Alder Lake Placid Blue Medium Scale Bass Advanced Order
https://www.rondomusic.com/product10345.html

?

I saw it posted last night. I'd like to play bass and banjo as bad as I play guiter, but my zero or 1 blue guitar (stringed instrument) has been filled.
Thanks, I saw that this morning, but I prefer 34" scale.

You don't have room in your heart for more than one blue instrument? I have to admit, I don't have much of a desire for blue guitars, myself. Except for true Lake Placid Blue. What is that, you may ask? Only I know for sure, and I have no way of transmitting it to anybody else, because everybody has their own idea of what LPB is supposed to look like, and I have nothing to use as a real-world reference. I just know it when I see it. :lol:
What's wrong with more than 1 blue bass!?!?!?
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PsychoCid wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:53 am Being on the fence, I think that makes the $150 player the probable winner. For $300 when it's got features you won't use, pickups in the wrong place, it just seems like a lot of risk.
Yeah, I pretty much answered my own question by the time I was done writing that post. I'm going to go with the JB-75 for exactly those reasons. The MJ and MP are nice, but they're not what I'm going after. I already have a bass with two MM HBs in it, and that's enough for me. The SS frets and aesthetics of the MP-4 were mainly what was drawing me in.
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Mossman wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:06 pm
ID10t wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:27 pm How about

SX Ursa 2 LT MN Alder Lake Placid Blue Medium Scale Bass Advanced Order
https://www.rondomusic.com/product10345.html

?

I saw it posted last night. I'd like to play bass and banjo as bad as I play guiter, but my zero or 1 blue guitar (stringed instrument) has been filled.
Thanks, I saw that this morning, but I prefer 34" scale.

You don't have room in your heart for more than one blue instrument? I have to admit, I don't have much of a desire for blue guitars, myself. Except for true Lake Placid Blue. What is that, you may ask? Only I know for sure, and I have no way of transmitting it to anybody else, because everybody has their own idea of what LPB is supposed to look like, and I have nothing to use as a real-world reference. I just know it when I see it. :lol:
I sold suits once and had an impressive wardrobe on a great discount, and I had so much blue I loved it, until I didn't want to have any more blue in my life. I still have some blue, but you know.
The problem is that I am speaking to you and I thought I would never own a vintage blonde guitar, but we know how that ended. Still don't have enough time to play all my "favorite" guitars. Embarrassing, and yet I still look.

I didn't notice the 32" scale until I had already posted. I don't know how difficult it would be to make it a 34 " with a favorite neck (I know pocket length and such,) but at least Kurt has a bass for pre-order and that might mean more to come.
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uwmcscott wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:26 am
ID10t wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:27 pm How about

SX Ursa 2 LT MN Alder Lake Placid Blue Medium Scale Bass Advanced Order
https://www.rondomusic.com/product10345.html

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I saw it posted last night. I'd like to play bass and banjo as bad as I play guiter, but my zero or 1 blue guitar (stringed instrument) has been filled.
I was just thinking the other day that he hasn't had any of those SX basses posted lately, mostly just the higher dollar Brice models. I have never owned a bass in my life, and I currently own zero Rondo instruments. Maybe my next new guitar should only have 4 strings?

For those who own SX basses - are they pretty usable right out of the box for someone that's just going to goof around with it in the living room? Wondering if the current version would stack up to @Mossman 's historical version.

Also noticed that this is a "medium scale" that is 2" shorter than normal. Would that require different/special strings?

I have two Jaguar style SX basses purchased over ten years apart, and in terms of build quality and finish, the newer one is just as good (maybe a little better) than my first one. They definitely come with much better hardware now. I think they're identical to MIM Standards. The tuners are just fine, and the bridges are actually really good. I don't think there's any need to replace them. You might actually like the stock pickups, too. A lot of people do. I'm a little more particular, so I usually change them, but they don't sound bad.

My favorite thing about SX (whether guitars or basses) are the necks... I like the profile(s), and I've never had to affect any additional fretwork on a single guitar or bass. My only complaint is the nuts on the guitars are usually very badly cut, but they're ok on the basses. I've even bought individual SX necks from Rondo to use in build projects.

If you're looking for a reason not to buy that medium-scale SX Jazz, you won't get one from me. :)
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Mossman wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:11 pm
toomanycats wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:23 am You forgot one super cool Harley Benton JB-75 YouTube video. ;)

Haha! That WAS you! I saw the thumbnail for the video and thought: "Hey that guy looks like TMC... Or John Petrucci... (I was on my cell phone), but I didn't have time to watch it, and it slipped my mind until just now. Great playing, man!
I thought it was the guy from duck dynasty :)
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dabbler wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:09 pm Why you gotta call me out like that @Mossman? :lol:

So let me start with the easy stuff, I have 5 string versions of both matte ash enhanced Harley Bentons. They are both awesome values! I love both of 'em.

OK, so here's the rub. They were initially speced with Alnico pups. But somewhere along the line they started using ceramic pups. There's nothing really wrong with ceramic pups (though they should have changed the specs before somebody called them out on it) BUT the tone and outputs are typically different. MY Enhanced MP just happens to have a ceramic P and an Alnico at the bridge (which mellows out the bridge response a bit) and THAT set is so well matched, I'm shocked!

Anyways, what you will PROBABLY get, if you order one new, will be 2 ceramic pups. You can, of course replace either or both of them, but my advice would be to first do a series/parallel mod on the bridge pup. That would also take some of the high end off.

At any rate, if I were you, and it was my money, I would go ahead and get the Enhanced Harley Benton. It's an awesome bass at a great price!

I do also have a sunburst J-75. I don't play it much because I like the neck profiles on my SX basses better.

I also have an SX Hum and I'm not crazy about Hums paired with J pups anyway, but I bought it to try something. What I did with mine was mod the bridge hum with 2 switchpots in a way that allows me to choose either coil of the hum, OR put both coils in series or parallel, AND with another switchpot I can leave both pups in parallel (like it normally would be) or put whatever I have chosen for the bridge pup in series with the neck pup (I put a regular series/parallel mod on all of my passive player Js). I mostly play this bass with the front coil of the hum in parallel with the neck, which kinda approximates a J with 60s pup spacing (and the rear coil with the neck kinda approximates 70s spacing) but anyway THAT bass is SOOOOOO flexible!

I hope something I said was helpful, let us know what you get, and don't forget the pics!

Yeah, everything you said was helpful... Thanks!

"Why you gotta call me out like that @Mossman?" :lol:

I was worried you might feel betrayed about me revealing your closely guarded secret... Sorry... It won't happen again... I promise... Unless I'm on TalkBass. :lol:

In regards to the pickups themselves, that's always the least of my concerns with an import instrument, because I always replace them. :) What I was more concerned about was the placement of the bridge pickup. I think it's too close to the bridge on the Ursa Hum, and it looks to be in the same position (if not closer) on the MP-4. I don't like the way an MM and J work together, either. That's why I kinda dismissed the MJ-4. I tried to make it work with the Ursa Hum, but ended up routing it for another HB. I was going to have all kinds of switching option on mine too, but I was auditioning a number of different pickups, and just wanted to hear what the pickups sounded like before spending a lot of time on fancy wiring. Once I was happy with the way it sounded, I was kinda burnt out on the project and thought: "Ok, I'll do the rest of the switching stuff later..."

I think about it a lot, but still haven't gotten around to it. :)

ANYHOW... I think I'm going to go with the JB-75 after all. My goal was to get a Jazz Bass in order to replicate the sound of my #1, and the MP-4 is nowhere near that. Also, I can't say I'm really jonesing for another bass with MM HBs, unless it's an actual Musicman (a Sterling preferably). Thanks for your input, though!
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