Okay, follow me here. I'm been thinking about the evolution of rock guitar from it's inception through the late 80s/early 90s.
The Broadcaster (a Telecaster by any other name) was introduced in 1950. Two pickups, the bridge having more "beef" than the neck. It can project muscular power from the bridge, but can also get glassy, or warm and jazzy in the neck position.
The Fender Stratocaster is introduced in 1954. Arguably more "sophisticated" than the Tele, is does have three pickups and a tremolo system.
In the 70s people start putting humbuckers in the bridge position of Strats. We know the usual suspects, of course Eddie Van Halen, but also "Fast" Eddie Clarke of Motorhead, Wayne Kramer of MC5, and many others who had the same idea.
In the 80s many players decided they wanted a guitar that, "Can project muscular power from the bridge, but can also get glassy, or warm and jazzy in the neck position." Sound familiar? Builders oblige them and so is born the HS Strat.
And so in this round about way I've reach the conclusion of my argument, which is, stated specifically, the story of the evolvement of the rock guitar starts and ends with the Tele. Or at least a guitar that is essentially like the design concept of the Tele, lightweight, with a bolt on neck, powerful bridge pickup, and a weaker neck pickup capable of both pristine cleans and smoky blues tones.
Yes, I know I'm ignoring the HSH Strat, which could be seen as an even further evolvement. But I'm putting lots of stock on the ultimately useful simplicity of the two pickup design, along with the pleasure I get from the aesthetic concept of circularity.
Am I crazy, or am I onto something? I know there's no shortage of Tele love here.
All Roads Lead To The Tele
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Not crazy, I've felt the same. Tele is the granddaddy of rock. Gibson fits in-between as well...
Broadcaster single pup
Telecaster dual pup
Les Paul p90s
Les Paul humbuckers
Les Paul becomes Fender-like, lighter thinner body with double cutaway SG
And then you get the humbuckers in the Fender style
Broadcaster single pup
Telecaster dual pup
Les Paul p90s
Les Paul humbuckers
Les Paul becomes Fender-like, lighter thinner body with double cutaway SG
And then you get the humbuckers in the Fender style
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It really is!andrewsrea wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:22 pm Just pulled my '69 Thinline Reissue out to play, yesterday. A good Telly is like being naked: good or bad - it all hangs out.
All my other guitars with their humbuckers are extremely forgiving. Flub it a bit, still sounds fine.
But I wish my Tele were wired up for that reason. You're going to hear exactly everything you do - or don't - play.
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I spend plenty of time with teles, but I can't say they're my favorites, or even the basis of rock and roll. They get there, they are elegant, but there are so many more tones they can't do, and frankly it's not the most comfortable shape. They're great, but they're far from "the thing".
I mean a Tele can't do Strato-quack or Humbucker tones, but that's beside the point.BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:00 pm I spend plenty of time with teles, but I can't say they're my favorites, or even the basis of rock and roll. They get there, they are elegant, but there are so many more tones they can't do, and frankly it's not the most comfortable shape. They're great, but they're far from "the thing".
Musically there's nothing a straight vintage SS Telecaster can't do. Even with the single coils they'll do hard rock or even metal no problem, provided you got the amp/rig for it.
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It just sounds like you're saying "You can play about any sports ball with a soccer ball, you just have to not care about any nuance at all".PsychoCid wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:26 pm I mean a Tele can't do Strato-quack or Humbucker tones, but that's beside the point.
Musically there's nothing a straight vintage SS Telecaster can't do. Even with the single coils they'll do hard rock or even metal no problem, provided you got the amp/rig for it.
He who has ears, let him hear.BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:34 pmIt just sounds like you're saying "You can play about any sports ball with a soccer ball, you just have to not care about any nuance at all".PsychoCid wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:26 pm I mean a Tele can't do Strato-quack or Humbucker tones, but that's beside the point.
Musically there's nothing a straight vintage SS Telecaster can't do. Even with the single coils they'll do hard rock or even metal no problem, provided you got the amp/rig for it.
Generally, I like to speak from experience.
An SG sounds like a guitar.
A Tele sounds like a guitar.
Tit for tat.
A soccer ball rolls straight when you kick it.
A football does not.
It's a strawman and or tu quoque fallacy.
Anyway having played Teles for metal and loved them, they're also great for easier mixing. They don't crowd the bass like humbuckers do, and yet they're so spicy they cut through.
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How many years of experience do you have using Teles for rock and metal?BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:35 pmWe all have experience (and ears). Trying to assert otherwise is ignorant.
Maybe TDPRI would be a better place to take it.
Confronted with proof, why attack the man instead of the argument?
Can you refute the video evidence of why Teles fit metal well?
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"Everyone needs a tele in their quiver." Often stated because it's correct. Can't do everything but does some things really well.
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I have plenty of experience using teles and many other types in rock. I don't do metal, so I don''t care about that.
The OP wasn't even about metal, so why are you trying to make it specifically so? Seems like you're just trying to have arguments.
Rock covers tons of sub-genres and there's a lot in there that a tele just doesn't cover as well as some other guitars.
Cool, mate.BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:08 pmI have plenty of experience using teles and many other types in rock. I don't do metal, so I don''t care about that.
The OP wasn't even about metal, so why are you trying to make it specifically so? Seems like you're just trying to have arguments.
Rock covers tons of sub-genres and there's a lot in there that a tele just doesn't cover as well as some other guitars.
Is plenty a number?
You don't do metal, but you can speak to what does or doesn't work for metal?
The OP showed how 80s metal guitarists explicitly relate to Tele history.
By agreeing with the OP, I am arguing?
Are your statements objective or subjective?
Can you share objective proof of your claims?
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I'm too old to count the years back. Plenty suffices.
I didn't do your sister, but I could speak to her.
If you actually read his words, you'd know he was saying rock, not just metal.
The existence of many other models is objective proof the tele was not the end of guitar evolution. It's click-baity, but not compelling enough to chase after evidence to satisfy your needs. This is a discussion forum. Discuss.
When did I say the Tele was the end of evolution?BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:24 pmI'm too old to count the years back. Plenty suffices.I didn't do your sister, but I could speak to her.If you actually read his words, you'd know he was saying rock, not just metal.The existence of many other models is objective proof the tele was not the end of guitar evolution. It's click-baity, but not compelling enough to chase after evidence to satisfy your needs. This is a discussion forum. Discuss.
Whatever you say isn't metal, isn't metal.
First you said don't discuss here. Now you're saying let's discuss?
Thanks for agreeing with me about subjectiveness.
But why are you a pedophile chasing after my sisters?
Is your name Steve Hitch?
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^^^ I'm just going to leave that there as I'm not interested in pointless arguments and just learned about the Des Moines tornado. I have friends there to check in with.
Thank you, Senor Pedophile.BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:31 pm ^^^ I'm just going to leave that there as I'm not interested in pointless arguments and just learned about the Des Moines tornado. I have friends there to check in with.
We know who you are now.
Thanks for objectively proving why Teles can't do rock or metal, instead of expressing sexual attraction to people's young sisters.
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So... You gonna show some clips of Teles failing at rock yet, or what?BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:52 pm Ok, my Des Moines friends are ok, but that tornado's still sad - 6 people died.Yawn.
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We understand you're a pedophile. You're not going to chase, but you're still replying?BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:59 pmYou don't read well. I already told you I wasn't going to chase evidence of the obvious. So are you just trolling?
I've given your IP and name to the local PD. I take you quite seriously. You're not a troll once you target my sisters.
But how come you couldn't stay on topic about what Teles can't and can't do?
Let's keep playing. It gets easier.
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I'm the one who stayed on topic: Rock.PsychoCid wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:05 pm We understand you're a pedophile. You're not going to chase, but you're still replying?
I've given your IP and name to the local PD. I take you quite seriously. You're not a troll once you target my sisters.
But how come you couldn't stay on topic about what Teles can't and can't do?
Let's keep playing. It gets easier.
But then yes, you are just a troll. Enjoy that.
Thanks Steven McPedo Rock.BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:15 pmI'm the one who stayed on topic: Rock.PsychoCid wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:05 pm We understand you're a pedophile. You're not going to chase, but you're still replying?
I've given your IP and name to the local PD. I take you quite seriously. You're not a troll once you target my sisters.
But how come you couldn't stay on topic about what Teles can't and can't do?
Let's keep playing. It gets easier.
But then yes, you are just a troll. Enjoy that.
I really appreciate how a single one of your posts showed how Teles don't work for rock.
The Yardbirds never existed, for example.
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I don't enjoy engaging trolls, so I ignore most of what you say. But if your ears fail to get all the nuances players get out of other guitars IN ROCK that teles don't match, that's on you. I'm happy knowing which guitars to consider for any given situation.