Earlier this week I came across this newer model Marshall DSL5CR at a pawn shop. It was absolutely pristine, with not a scratch on it, and likely never left the previous owner’s bedroom. The footswitch was included, which at a pawn shop is as rare as finding a Squier Strat with the tremolo bar attached. It was tagged at well below the average used price, but just on principle I had to ask if they’d do even better. I must have caught them in a generous mood, because I ended up walking out the door with the amp at an exceptionally good price.
The amp sounded impressive even with the budget stock 10” driver, producing that distinctive Marshall tube amp tone. But running the line out to 1X12, 2X12, and 4X12 cabinets loaded with quality Celestions revealed that there was serious untapped potential here. I realized that with a speaker upgrade this could be much more than just a practice amp. Of all the speakers I tried the DSL5CR sounded best pushing a Greenback. As I had got such a killer deal on the amp even the additional cost of ordering a 12” Celestion Greenback from Sweetwater still brought me in below the average used selling price of this model. A special shout out to Perry at Sweetwater for getting this speaker out to me so expeditiously.
12" Greenback to Celestion TEN 30: "Where's the beef?"
From research on the gear forums I learned that a few modifications had to be made to shoehorn a 12” speaker into the cabinet.
1) A groove had to be cut on the cab floor to accommodate the bottom of the speaker.
2) The hole in the front panel needed to opened up wider.
3) The speaker needed to be rotated so the tubes wouldn’t make contact with the basket.
I spent a good amount of time making all the measurements and slowly, carefully making the cuts in both the cabinet floor and front panel. I used both a Dremel and a jigsaw. It was pretty dusty using the Dremel, and I probably should have worn a mask, but with the amount of cat litter dust I inhale on a daily basis, plus the recent alarming uptick in my consumption of these cheap Black & Mild pipe tobacco cigars, I figure I’m pretty much a goner anyways.
Measure twice, cut once. Follow that simple rule and you'll avoid lots of headaches. Removing all the staples from the edges of the front panel so I could remove the grill cloth while making the cuts was time consuming, but I didn't want to risk damaging the fabric.
With the Greenback finally installed not only was the amp’s tone improved immensely, but it also made it significantly louder and deeper. I believe I could now get over the top of a restrained drummer, and most certainly if it was mic’d. it. The 10” speaker just couldn’t produce that powerful rumble and roar I was looking for, whereas the 12” Greenback literally shakes the floor when I play something like the beginning of “Bring it On Home.” But best of all, and you people who are familiar with the Greenback will know what I’m talking about, is that roundness, warmth, bite, and throaty bark that it imparts. That’s tonal bliss to me. I couldn’t be happier with this upgrade.
A word on the two channels: The “Classic Gain” is really the clean channel. The “Ultra Gain” is simply the dirt channel. There is no real breakup on the “Classic Gain” channel. When both the pre and main volumes are pushed to the max it simply gets mushy and fuzzy, not crispy and crunchy. That being said, when backed off from max the cleans are really nice for a Marshall, with very musical overtones and surprising glassiness. As for the vintage Marshall break up, your Bluesbreaker, Plexi, all the way to hot rodded JCM800 tones, they all live to the left of the dial on the “Ultra Gain” channel. To the right of the dial is all that chugga chugga stuff I don’t do. It’s there if you need it though. The amp responds splendidly to alterations in the guitars volume knob, which is generally how I like to clean up my tone while performing. I don’t see myself having to use any overdrive pedals with this amp, which cuts my already sparse pedal board in half. Heck, when using this amp I’ll be down to just three boxes, my BOSS tuner, MXR Phase 90, and CHASE TONE Secret Preamp. I love the simplicity of that!
My main criticism of the channels is the notable volume difference between the two. There is a significant drop in db going from “Ultra Gain” to “Classic Gain,” even with the latter maxed and the former held back. This wouldn’t be a problem when using the amp for practice or recording, but it could be a serious issue if one tried to use it as a two channel amp for live performance. As I don’t require crystal clear, pristine clean tones, it doesn’t bother me to stay on the “Ultra Gain” channel and use the guitar’s volume knob to clean up when required. It will however be a real issue for those who require a clean platform with good headroom. But I suspect that people in that category aren’t looking at low watt Marshall tube amps to begin with.
One of the new features of this latest version of the DSL5 is the inclusion of digital reverb. It sounds perfectly fine to my ears, and comes on gradually as the knob is turned. Again, like pristine clean tones at volume with headroom, reverb is not one of my main priorities. It’s nice to have it though if I want add a touch of that quality without having to use a pedal.
As I’m aware that the size of a combos cabinet in relation to the speaker(s) has a profound effect on the amps tone, and I suspected that the oversized 12” driver was likely being choked by the restrictive enclosure, I removed the back panel to see what would result. As good as the amp sounded with the rear panel installed, it sounded notably better with it removed, as in more open, airy, organic, and articulate, and even a little more volume too. As a future project I’m thinking about attaching the rear panel with velcro in lieu of the screws so that I can easily remove it when needed.
A word on the build quality: The Marshall DSL5 is made in Vietnam. For sake of comparison, about a year ago I bought a made in China Blackstar Studio 10 6L6, which retails for the same price as this Marshall. The build quality on the Blackstar is notably superior, with everything being sturdier, more robust, and just feeling all around less cheap and “toy-like.” I’m making this observation strictly as a commentary on the construction, because the two models can’t really be compared as amps per se, being totally different animals.
That being said, over the last year I have worked that Blackstar like a rented mule; it has fell over many times, been slammed into walls and door, lugged over half of this State, exposed to heat and cold, had beer spilled on it, powered up continuously for four hours at a time, and not infrequently been pushed hard. Though it has some superficial scars, it still operates flawlessly. I’m not sure how the Marshall DSL5CR would fare with such treatment. When I made the cuts in the box to fit the speaker I discovered that the “wood” of the front panel is MDF, and the outer box itself looks to be a type of chipboard. Compared to the DSL5CR my 1986 made in England Marshall Master Lead 30 combo is built like a bank safe. I suppose this is the trade off for Marshall being able to offer a tube amp with their name on it at this price point. While the Blackstar is most likely constructed of the same materials as the DSL5CR, it just feels much more solid.
Anyways, I’m exited about gigging this amp tonight!
Cat included for size reference. That's Smokey, the newest resident of our household. If you think you're having a bad day, just remember that he had his balls cut off yesterday.
MARSHALL DSL5CR COMBO AMP with 12” CELESTION GREENBACK
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This is what's installed left to right, as viewed from the back of the amp. I'm assuming these are the stock tubes, as they're branded as "Marshall." As far as who makes these, I'm seeing reference to JJ, Shuguang, or even Sovtek.
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I am thinking about picking one of these up tomorrow oddly enough. Have an AVT20 that I modded to fix the difference in channel volume mostly, basically just increases gain in the clean preamp circuit not sure if it is totally correct way, but it made a difference enough that I have been mostly happy. I swapped out the stock 10" for a nicer one that I had previously used in my Lead 15 stack, but nothing compares to running the combo through a 12".
Had a DSL40C that was too much and did not sound good in a bedroom especially next to the AVT which does a pretty convincing Marshall and can get stupid loud for 20w of cheaper solid state. From the reviews of the DSL5CR and watching the youtube channel of one guy inparticular it seems exactly like the upgrade from the AVT20 I am looking for.
Had a DSL40C that was too much and did not sound good in a bedroom especially next to the AVT which does a pretty convincing Marshall and can get stupid loud for 20w of cheaper solid state. From the reviews of the DSL5CR and watching the youtube channel of one guy inparticular it seems exactly like the upgrade from the AVT20 I am looking for.
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I am currently fighting Marshall urges myself (I really like the idea of a DSL20 head through my Peavey Greenback cab), and this does nothing to help.
There is also a DSL40 with a Creamback for sale nearby, but it does not have the improvements of the latest DSL models.
There is also a DSL40 with a Creamback for sale nearby, but it does not have the improvements of the latest DSL models.
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TMC I'm on a quest for a new low wattage amp myself. I'm on the far end of a guitar players life my gigging days are over I'm just playing with a few of the old cats I''ve played with over the years but that's just Jamming, writing and recording we are all old farts that still love to play and what we're doing now is a lot of fun and scratches the itch. Sometimes I look around and everyone has their eyes shut and in their own zone and they do trully own it, some of the best music I've ever had a part in creating has been out of that old studio.
I have an older Blackstar 5 HT to my ear it sounds decent not great. I had a HT 1 I sold when I bought this one for a really good price and I thought the tone on it was superior to the HT 5. I agree the Blackstar is built like a tank but I hate the design. You have to turn it upside down to use the FX loop. I would like to also try a VOX AC15.
I sold my Mesa Boogie Studio 22 about 10 yeaers ago and have regreted it ever since I also had a a Mesa Boogie Lonestar great stage amp but not much for anyrhing else just too heavy and loud. Actually I wish I still had most of the gear I've owned over the years.
Here's a picture of my amp on its side to access th FX loop
This is Jeff one of the old farts caught him playing my 12 string
I have an older Blackstar 5 HT to my ear it sounds decent not great. I had a HT 1 I sold when I bought this one for a really good price and I thought the tone on it was superior to the HT 5. I agree the Blackstar is built like a tank but I hate the design. You have to turn it upside down to use the FX loop. I would like to also try a VOX AC15.
I sold my Mesa Boogie Studio 22 about 10 yeaers ago and have regreted it ever since I also had a a Mesa Boogie Lonestar great stage amp but not much for anyrhing else just too heavy and loud. Actually I wish I still had most of the gear I've owned over the years.
Here's a picture of my amp on its side to access th FX loop
This is Jeff one of the old farts caught him playing my 12 string
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I personally think the AVT amps sound extraordinarily good. Twenty tears ago I had an AVT50 Valvestate 2000 combo with a 12" speaker and I still regret selling it. They represent the point where hybrid solid state/tube amps reached the peak of their development, before amp manufacturers abandoned that technology for the modeling craze embodied by companies like Line 6.honyock wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:57 pm I am thinking about picking one of these up tomorrow oddly enough. Have an AVT20 that I modded to fix the difference in channel volume mostly, basically just increases gain in the clean preamp circuit not sure if it is totally correct way, but it made a difference enough that I have been mostly happy. I swapped out the stock 10" for a nicer one that I had previously used in my Lead 15 stack, but nothing compares to running the combo through a 12".
Had a DSL40C that was too much and did not sound good in a bedroom especially next to the AVT which does a pretty convincing Marshall and can get stupid loud for 20w of cheaper solid state. From the reviews of the DSL5CR and watching the youtube channel of one guy inparticular it seems exactly like the upgrade from the AVT20 I am looking for.
Yes, a 40 watt DSL is WAY too much for bedroom use. You can't even begin to push it without peeling the paint off the wall. I think you'll be much happier with this 5 watt version.
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Excellent ideas, and I've thought the same thing about my Peavey JSX Mini Colossal 5 watt 1X8 combo. That thing sounds killer pushing a 2X12 and would make an amazing head.
But the beauty of the Marshall DSL5 is its portability, and I'll elaborate on that. I like to gig with my good gear. Life is short and this stuff was meant to be played and heard. So I bring my Gibsons (and other expensive gear) out to these dive bars where I'm sometimes hanging out until 2 AM. Of course I'm acutely aware of the danger of theft, so I watch my stuff like a hawk. Part of my protocol in this regard is to pack so that I can enter and leave the establishment with only one trip each way. I carry a combo amp in one hand, a guitar in the other, and a bag slung over my shoulder with all my cords, pedals, and so on. The DSL5 as a combo with the 12" speaker mod is the perfect amp in this regard. I also have the option of micing it if I want to play with a drummer, or even using it as a head to push a 2X12 or 4X12.
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Yes, it's a very clean design in that all the jacks are hidden from sight, though it can be awkward getting the hang of plugging stuff in this way. Apart from aesthetic considerations I think they may have been thinking about the frequency with which jacks on the rear of combos get broken off. The hidden jacks on the Blackstar don't bother me anymore because at this point I've done more groping inserts with it than Prince Andrew on the Lolita Express.
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Really nice mod!
Keeps it small but bigger sounding, I am sure.
I repaired a Vox Cambridge 30 last week which had a very sweet 10" blue Celistion with a ceramic magnet. It was impressive for a simple SS amp and I felt a lot had to do with the speaker.
Keeps it small but bigger sounding, I am sure.
I repaired a Vox Cambridge 30 last week which had a very sweet 10" blue Celistion with a ceramic magnet. It was impressive for a simple SS amp and I felt a lot had to do with the speaker.
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Well, I am now the owner of one of these, in perfect condition with the pedal. 3 Benjamins seemed fair based on Reverb and eBay sold listings.
Oddly I think my AVT20 weighs half again as much as the DSL5CR does. To be fair the AVT it is a true closed back cabinet with the chassis separated from the speaker entirely and the cabinet is quite a bit heavier construction style which I would suppose is because Marshall built it in the UK and more was expected from them for the money.
Oddly I think my AVT20 weighs half again as much as the DSL5CR does. To be fair the AVT it is a true closed back cabinet with the chassis separated from the speaker entirely and the cabinet is quite a bit heavier construction style which I would suppose is because Marshall built it in the UK and more was expected from them for the money.
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On the gear forums there is some criticism of this newest version of the Marshall DSL5 because it has one less tube than previous iterations, which is the result of phase inversion now being solid state. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts regarding how much tube phase inversion contributes to overall tube amp tone.andrewsrea wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:16 pm Really nice mod!
Keeps it small but bigger sounding, I am sure.
I repaired a Vox Cambridge 30 last week which had a very sweet 10" blue Celistion with a ceramic magnet. It was impressive for a simple SS amp and I felt a lot had to do with the speaker.
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That is a great question.toomanycats wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:19 am I'd be interested to hear your thoughts regarding how much tube phase inversion contributes to overall tube amp tone.
It definitely contributes to the sound, very much so to headroom and compression. You've probably swapped the 12AT7 in a Fender inverter for a 12AX7 and noticed more crunch and compression, but less punch and growl from the output section.
The circuit also matters. I have an amp that I put a short-tailed inverter (uses only one triode side of the tube to drive the output) vs. the usual two triode (one whole tube) to drive. It has way less headroom and way more distortion and compression.
Solid-state inverter can be awesome for a high headroom inverter, like what is in a Musicman RD amp. The problem with SS is if you push the inverter to its limits, it will hard clip. A tube will have a soft compression at its limits, long before it hard clips. I recall an RD Sixty-five would sound big and clean to about 5 on the volume, start grinding the output tubes at 6 to 7, then sound like crap above that.
So, if you are running your Marshall like Van Halen ran his early Plexi's - all knobs on 10, then you might not have a great tone with a SS inverter. It should sound really good with the Gain on 4 and volume on 10, or the gain on 7 and the MV on 3 type settings.
But a SS inverter operated in its limits, would be great for a little tighter sound when complimented with a tube or two.
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