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NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:29 pm
by Gergo
Picked this up from a buddy of mine who had recently bought it from a dealer on Reverb. He ended up finding a good deal on a Jimmy Page Les Paul right after he bought this, and needed to cut this loose to be able to jump on that deal. As a result, I ended up getting a really really good price on it.

This is a 1978 Les Paul Standard. Is it all original? Well, if your familiar with the tops that Norlin were using during this era, you will immediately notice that this has a two piece top.

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That's right, this is actually a retop. Word is that this was originally a TS that somebody had routed out for a Kahler. The second owner decided to completely replace the top in order to get it back to the traditional Les Paul lay-out.

So.....this is really kind of a Gibson hybrid, in a way.
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The T-top pickups, pots, switch, tuners, wiring, are all original. Not so sure about the bridge and tailpiece, they sure look new.
The guitar is in immaculate condition as the guy who made the changes to this guitar ended up with cancer right afterwards, and as a result, the guitar sat under a bed for 20+ years.
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Some custom shop in Ohio did the retop and refinish in nitro. They did a pristine job! If you didn't know any better, you would think it is factory. The guitar plays AMAZINGLY good. Super low action and zero fret buzz. One of the best playing guitars I own, bar none. The T-tops sound great, and this thing has balls! Sustains for days!

It does sport the typical 3-piece maple neck with volute that Norlin were using in the day. Personally, I prefer the maple necks and volute. I know traditionalist would be appalled. Norlin also took about 5 degrees off the headstock angle. This also sports a ONE PIECE mahogany body/back. Seeing how the top is not the same heavy wood Norlin was using at the time, this guitar is lighter than most Norlin's of the era, weighing in at around 9-9.5 LBS.

I realize that this guitar likely has no collectors value at all, but that does not mean it is not a good guitar. It is actually an AMAZING guitar with amazing tone.

Question........Before anyone mentions it....Yes, I am planning on taking the Fender knobs off. It appears that Norlin used two different kind of knobs on the Les Pauls in 1978.. They randomly used speed knobs on some, and tophats with reflector labels on others. I could either put amber speed knobs on, or gold top hats with reflector on. Just curious, which do you think would look better?
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Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:53 pm
by UrenragK
HNGD! What a beaut!

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:21 pm
by Theylive716
I was eyeing this one up for a while! It was a shame to hear about the owner’s health. I almost took the trip out to Ohio to buy it. Lay’s does amazing refinishing work and this is no exception. What a cool one from my birth year no less !!! Congrats 🎉

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:23 pm
by TVvoodoo
Really great story, I'm partial to greenies. Cream speeds on that I think!

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:25 pm
by tonebender
Wow, not sure I have ever seen that finish before. Surely there is not a lot like that out there. It's a beauty!!!

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:19 pm
by nomadh
Neat look.

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:08 am
by dearlpitts
Very cool, love it

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:55 am
by MrSouthpaw
HNGD! I love that color-- I've been wanting a green Les Paul for the longest time. I personally would go for black speed knobs with that finish, but I think amber would look fine too. Another unique idea would be to go with rosewood knobs to match the fingerboard.

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:10 pm
by uwmcscott
That’s a very cool story and guitar to boot, having the lineage to go along with it is a big plus. And you never know on the collector value in the long run. They only made so many every year, right?

And if it plays good, looks good and feel good, who cares about collector value anyway, right?

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:13 pm
by golem
I'd probably love this. It's a little heavy but not crazily so, is less likely to have a headstock break do to a volute and the decreased neck angle, and has low out PAF'ish pickups. That leaves the only thing I don't like about LPs left, upper fret access. And the last part is something many people just learn to adjust too.

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:33 pm
by Manco53
Damn that is a sweet Les Paul, congrats and HNGD!

So it was originally tobacco sunburst and they had the entire guitar re-finished in green? I thought a lot of those tobacco sunburst guitars had dark stain on the backs and necks?

Either way, super badass guitar. I would go gold tophats and swap the plastics to more of a vintage cream.

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:08 pm
by Gergo
Manco53 wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:33 pm Damn that is a sweet Les Paul, congrats and HNGD!

So it was originally tobacco sunburst and they had the entire guitar re-finished in green? I thought a lot of those tobacco sunburst guitars had dark stain on the backs and necks?

Either way, super badass guitar. I would go gold tophats and swap the plastics to more of a vintage cream.
Yep, it is my understanding that it was a tobacco sunburst. So, I dunno. Go figure. All I know is that the neck and back look great. Of course the back on the body is very dark.

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:44 pm
by jtcnj
Very cool backstory - congrats on the best part - its plays and sounds great.
Cream / vintage white plastics and knobs.

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:55 pm
by BatUtilityBelt
Congrats, happy NGD. I always prefer top hats on LPs. I prefer a volute too.

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:13 pm
by Longblacktie
Awesome Green! Very unique

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:14 pm
by Longblacktie
Also - black speed knobs. Black reflectors would be all right to

Also black pickup rings!

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:17 pm
by PsychoCid
Witch hats! Stick with the frankenstein theme.. :)

Took me a second to figure out why those knobs were bothering me. Looks like a great score though! I would love a Norlin pancake guitar.

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:22 pm
by aullucci
I would make all that hardware black. But honestly you're going to have to try hard to find something that makes that top look bad. It's gorgeous. Enjoy

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:32 pm
by Don Tonberry
What an awesome guitar with very interesting story! I vote for speed knobs, always a fan of Les Pauls with speed knobs regardless if its a LPC or not

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:35 pm
by nomadh
golem wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:13 pm I'd probably love this. It's a little heavy but not crazily so, is less likely to have a headstock break do to a volute and the decreased neck angle, and has low out PAF'ish pickups. That leaves the only thing I don't like about LPs left, upper fret access. And the last part is something many people just learn to adjust too.
I'd say the 3 piece lam maple neck makes it about 100 times less breakable. Has anyone ever heard of 1 breaking?

Re: NGD: Green 1978 Gibson Les Paul Standard (well, kind of)

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:42 am
by golem
nomadh wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:35 pm I'd say the 3 piece lam maple neck makes it about 100 times less breakable. Has anyone ever heard of 1 breaking?
I'm sure it could in the right conditions, but it's definitely yet another feature I'd heard Jol Dantzig (a founder of Hamer) discuss as being a great way to reduce the likelihood of a headstock break.