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Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:39 pm
by sabasgr68
I´m totally ignorant on this, guys.
Will this be a better approach for having HB and SC sounds on the same guitar, instead of the split option on one HB?
Why this is not popular? Doesn´t work as well? Fender did it on the Marauder model - found out about it when looking about this three coils pickup option; never knew about that guitar -.
Re: Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:48 pm
by ID10t
sabasgr68 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:39 pm
I´m totally ignorant on this, guys.
Will this be a better approach for having HB and SC sounds on the same guitar, instead of the split option on one HB?
Why this is not popular? Doesn´t work as well? Fender did it on the Marauder model - found out about it when looking about this three coils pickup option; never knew about that guitar -.
threecoils.jpg
triplecoilspink1_orig.jpg
That sounds like such a great idea, I think I want one in a superstrat. But The Google isn't a fan, it seems to be like a cow with two butts. You can get the sound you are looking for from an HSS or an SHS and can easily trade pickups if you want, with the triple bucker you can't.
Re: Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:01 pm
by BatUtilityBelt
According to marketing lore, that's also the idea behind Burns Trisonic pickups, although implemented in a tighter package and they don't split. They do sound different and good. It's not actually 3 coils, but the base extends up the sides to act like it.
Re: Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:56 pm
by sabasgr68
ID10t wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:48 pm
sabasgr68 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:39 pm
I´m totally ignorant on this, guys.
Will this be a better approach for having HB and SC sounds on the same guitar, instead of the split option on one HB?
Why this is not popular? Doesn´t work as well? Fender did it on the Marauder model - found out about it when looking about this three coils pickup option; never knew about that guitar -.
threecoils.jpg
triplecoilspink1_orig.jpg
That sounds like such a great idea, I think I want one in a superstrat. But The Google isn't a fan, it seems to be like a cow with two butts. You can get the sound you are looking for from an HSS or an SHS and can easily trade pickups if you want, with the triple bucker you can't.
I think it´s a great idea, or interesting, at least. I like the triple coil humbucker size ones better, as they will fit in regular humbucker size spaces.
Re: Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:00 pm
by sabasgr68
BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:01 pm
According to marketing lore, that's also the idea behind Burns Trisonic pickups, although implemented in a tighter package and they don't split. They do sound different and good. It's not actually 3 coils, but the base extends up the sides to act like it.
I came to these after reading your Push/Pull Hate thread. Looking for a fast way to tell if you have both sounds on any of your guitars.
Re: Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:19 pm
by BatUtilityBelt
sabasgr68 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:00 pm
I came to these after reading your Push/Pull Hate thread. Looking for a fast way to tell if you have both sounds on any of your guitars.
I only have Tri-Sonics on one guitar - a Brian May copy. They don't coil-split because they are a 2 wire pickup.
The most tonally flexible guitar I have (besides a Variax which is cheating by modeling) is a Revelation RLR. It is a modern copy of a Les Paul Recording type guitar with what I believe are very thick stacked humbuckers with probably an inner coil and an outer coil instead of actually being stacked. They are split in one of the switch arrangements, which gives great tele sounds. In another switch setting, I believe it puts the stacks in series instead of parallel, which gives really good P90 tone. Finally, in a third switch setting, it puts the stacks in parallel, giving a very good humbucker tone. It even gives me a phase reverse switch to combine with those, so tons of tones overall.
I am curious to hear how the 3 coil pickups sound. There must be electromagnetic field crossover across the coils, so aside from the same hum-cancelling of a 2 coil pickup, I'd think there would be some nuanced time-shifted complexities not found in other pickups, but may get muddy easily (just a guess).
Re: Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:44 pm
by Jaymo
BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:19 pm
sabasgr68 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:00 pm
I came to these after reading your Push/Pull Hate thread. Looking for a fast way to tell if you have both sounds on any of your guitars.
I only have Tri-Sonics on one guitar - a Brian May copy. They don't coil-split because they are a 2 wire pickup.
The most tonally flexible guitar I have (besides a Variax which is cheating by modeling) is a Revelation RLR. It is a modern copy of a Les Paul Recording type guitar with what I believe are very thick stacked humbuckers with probably an inner coil and an outer coil instead of actually being stacked. They are split in one of the switch arrangements, which gives great tele sounds. In another switch setting, I believe it puts the stacks in series instead of parallel, which gives really good P90 tone. Finally, in a third switch setting, it puts the stacks in parallel, giving a very good humbucker tone. It even gives me a phase reverse switch to combine with those, so tons of tones overall.
I am curious to hear how the 3 coil pickups sound. There must be electromagnetic field crossover across the coils, so aside from the same hum-cancelling of a 2 coil pickup, I'd think there would be some nuanced time-shifted complexities not found in other pickups, but may get muddy easily (just a guess).
If I have coil splittable humbuckers and a 7 way switch in an HH configuration, does this mean that I can wire the switch for neck, neck & bridge, bridge, neck split, bridge split, neck coils in series and bridge coils in series? Because that would be sweet. Fendery tones, GIbson HB tones, and P90 tones in one guitar would make me all giddy.
My no talent, hack self can find even more tones and wrong notes on one guitar and not have to play several to get them.
Seriously, if that's possible I want it.
Also, the 3 coil HBs interest me as well.
Sorry for my lack of understanding of some of the technical aspects of the electronics of guitars and amps. I'm still learning and trying to learn as much as I can, as quickly as I can.
Re: Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:05 pm
by Jaymo
So, this looks like it may interest you @sabasgr68. I know it got my attention.
https://www.seymourduncan.com/single-pr ... set-arched
Beware, you can spend a LOT of time looking at the Seymour Duncan website. I'm going back there now.
Re: Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:49 pm
by sabasgr68
I´d like them for sure. Now I know in what I´ll be spending $255 when I have them in my pocket and don´t need to spend them on another thing... I like the concept, and they sounded great in the video demo.
PS: I inmediately clicked on the upper right "X" to close the window and not start looking other things
I don´t need 
Re: Three coil PUs. Better than HB with split option?
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:03 pm
by golem
I really like PRS style coil splits. Maybe @andrewsrea can explain better how it works. I know he said something about a resistor being in the path when split so that it has more of the other coil in it (or just the plate?). I just know that it rejects more noise and sounds more full.
I also think that Stag Mag style pickups, which Rob makes a variant of called the Hi Fi, split pretty well too.