Thinking About Putting a Pickguard on My Jaco Tribute Fretless

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Last year I built a fretless Jazz Bass with a body that I picked up from Guitar Huggers back a few years ago (anyone remember Guitar Huggers?). I bought it specifically because it didn't have any channel routs, or an enlarged pickup rout, and could go without a pickguard just like the "Bass of Doom". I de-fretted a neck that I had, and dubbed it the "Jaco Tribute":

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But over the weekend, I came across a pearloid Jazz Bass pickguard that I forgot I had. Out of curiosity, I wanted to see how it would look on the fretless, and I instantly thought it looked 10X better. I know putting a pickguard on it will take it away from "Jaco Tribute" territory, but I just dig the look. I have to admit, I like pickguards on Fender-style guitars. I've never been attracted to guitars that don't have a PG by design (like a lot of guitars that came out in the '80s, aimed at the hair metal crowd), and a guitar that's supposed to have a pickguard, but doesn't, just bugs me (oddly, I don't feel that way about LP or 335 style guitars. I take the PG off those right away).

Now, if this were relic'd, and was more of replica of the BoD, then I would never think of putting a PG on it, but in its shiny, unblemished state, it just looks incomplete to me. I'm about 95% sure I'm gonna drill those holes, but I'm still interested in other people's opinions. Though I'm pretty sure if I posted this on TalkBass, I'd get flamed left and right. :D

Here it is without the pickguard:

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And with...

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Whaddaya think?
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I typically advocate for removing pickguards, but this bass does look nice with the guard
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ILuvTeles wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:07 am I typically advocate for removing pickguards, but this bass does look nice with the guard
In person, the difference seems even more transformative. Looking at the photos you'd be forgiven for thinking: "Yeah, so what? It looks like every other sunburst Jazz Bass with a pickguard", but it really increases the swank factor and makes it pop. To be honest, the thought of putting a PG on this bass never crossed my mind, because it wasn't supposed to have one, but as soon as I put in on, I was like: "Oh, that's much better!".
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Looks great either way. Hard decision.
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My feeling is a Tribute should be more “inspired by” then a replica. If it is fret less and Jaco inspired tone wise, it may be better if it has some of your personal touch rather than an overly faithful copy. Just my opinion obviously.
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Either way works for me.
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andrewsrea wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:10 pm Looks great either way. Hard decision.
Chocol8 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:48 pm My feeling is a Tribute should be more “inspired by” then a replica. If it is fret less and Jaco inspired tone wise, it may be better if it has some of your personal touch rather than an overly faithful copy. Just my opinion obviously.
dabbler wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:22 pm Either way works for me.

Yeah, I liked the way it looked without the pickguard, I just like it better with the PG. Regardless of what my original intentions were, I reserve the right to change my mind. I figure if I want to go back to a non-PG look, I'll just have a few screw holes in the surface, which would be the first step towards a relic job, anyway.

Of course, I could always use double-sided tape and glue screw-heads in the holes of the pickguard. :D
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The deed is done... Let the haters hate.

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It looks good, and it uses the pickguard that might otherwise remain unused.
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Partscaster wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:44 am It looks good, and it uses the pickguard that might otherwise remain unused.
Thanks... Yeah, I literally had no use for that PG... hence, why I forgot about it. It even still had the plastic on it. Felt like I bought a new bass when I peeled it off. :)

I think I originally bought it for a bass that I built with a body from an SX Ursa 2 HUM (humbucker bridge pickup - single-coil neck), but decided to go in a different direction. I'm not crazy about combining HBs with single-coils, so I routed the neck pickup cavity to accommodate another Musicman humbucker, and had Ryan make me a new pickguard (in tort this time). I call it the "War Hammer". It's pretty brutal :D :

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Then I changed my mind again, and had him make me another one in black:

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Now if I get bored with the black-on-black look, I can go back to tort. I think it looks sexier with the black PG, though.
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It’s all about how you like it. Incidentally, I defretted a neck for the first time earlier. Lots of cleanup left to do.
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Friedl wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:58 pm It’s all about how you like it. Incidentally, I defretted a neck for the first time earlier. Lots of cleanup left to do.
This is my second de-fret job. The first one I attempted a few years ago didn't come out so good... The "cleanup" involved throwing the neck in the trash along with the rest of the debris. :lol: This time I did it the right way instead of my way... Came out a lot better. :)
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Mossman wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:02 am This time I did it the right way instead of my way... Came out a lot better. :)
Any tips? I used a soldering iron to heat the frets, started them using a razor blade, moved to a putty knife to lift an end, then lifted them out with pliers. The chips aren’t too bad, but I definitely need to saw the slots a little to widen them before filling them with the leftover mahogany veneer I have.
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Friedl wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:54 am
Mossman wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:02 am This time I did it the right way instead of my way... Came out a lot better. :)
Any tips? I used a soldering iron to heat the frets, started them using a razor blade, moved to a putty knife to lift an end, then lifted them out with pliers. The chips aren’t too bad, but I definitely need to saw the slots a little to widen them before filling them with the leftover mahogany veneer I have.
The best tip I can offer (for future reference, of course) is to use a pair of fret puller pliers. They greatly reduce chip-out.

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The first time I did this, I heated the fret with a soldering iron and pulled one end out with a small pair of bottle-nose pliers. I had intended to try to slide the frets out sideways to avoid chipping, but the frets came out much more easily than I expected. Most of the time, the whole fret would just lift right out all in one motion before I could do anything about it. I noticed I was getting some chipping, but I figured most of that would get leveled out when I radiused the board (after filling the slots), and kept on truckin'.

Well, the voids didn't diminish with sanding as much I thought they would, so of course, I kept on going a lot longer than I should have. :D I also didn't do a very good job of keeping even pressure on the radius block, and had worn down the treble side considerably more than the bass side. To top it all off, the wood veneer that I chose to fill the fret slots with wasn't the best choice. I saw some Birch veneer in the discount bin at a hobby store one day, and decided to use that to fill the slots. I thought it looked light enough, but once that Birch got saturated with super glue (I can't even remember why I used super glue), it turned dark grey, and the lines looked weak and thin... Barely visible. But that didn't matter much anymore since I had partially sanded them away on one side of the fingerboard!

I declared the entire enterprise a disaster, chalked it up to "tuition", and averred to make another attempt some day.

The thing about the fret pliers is; they lift the frets while simultaneously crimping down the tangs, resulting in almost no chipping. Once you get under the fret, you just crimp your way across the fretboard... Easy peasy. What little chipping you do get is microscopic, and does disappear when you level the fingerboard. I also splurged on Maple veneer this time, and used Titebond to glue the strips in, instead of cyano.

Before you widen the slots and fill them, do a little sanding on the board with your radius block to work up some sawdust and mix it with a little wood glue, and use that to fill the chippy spots. Since they're right on the edge of the slot, it's easier (and cleaner looking) to fill those voids before the veneer strips have been glued in. Whatever filler goops into the slots, you can saw through when you widen them.

And just be careful when widening the slots that you don't get too carried away. That was another mistake I made the first time. It might be better to sand the veneer down a little than to make the slots too wide. What's the thickness of the veneer you're using?
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Mossman wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:38 am chalked it up to "tuition"
really love the attitude towards that and aspire to reach your level of (fill in the blank).
But it sounds like you got your PhD and you're teaching the subject now. Very good write-up.
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ID10t wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:27 am
Mossman wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:38 am chalked it up to "tuition"
really love the attitude towards that and aspire to reach your level of (fill in the blank).
But it sounds like you got your PhD and you're teaching the subject now. Very good write-up.
Thanks for the kind words, but I hardly feel like I have a doctorate in guitar building just yet... and as long as there are stupid mistakes to be made, I probably never will. :)

I kind of had to adopt the attitude of viewing my costly mistakes as tuition so as not to get demoralized every time I gank something up. Instead of seeing it as adding to the total cost of the project, I see it as the fee for the lesson learned. If I were going to luthury school, it would cost me a lot more money to make those mistakes! And as my old social studies teacher was fond of saying: "Experience keeps a dear school, and fools will learn in no other".

Approaching it that way also helps me to relax, and not get all jammed up with the fear of making a mistake. I accept the fact that there will be hundreds of opportunities for me to screw up all along the way, and as an imperfect creature it's impossible for me to avoid all of them... Nor should I want to. The best I can do is to be well informed before I proceed, and be mindful and deliberate in my actions. And above all else; BE PATIENT.

Oh, and if you do make a mistake, don't act in panic to fix it... I just love it when I make things worse because I was in a hurry to redeem myself. :lol:
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Mossman wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:38 am [The best tip I can offer (for future reference, of course)...
Thanks! I did most of mine before getting the benefit of this advice, and it turned out... OK. I learned a lot. Maybe I'll try it again, maybe not, but definitely not soon.
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Friedl wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:07 pm
Mossman wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:38 am [The best tip I can offer (for future reference, of course)...
Thanks! I did most of mine before getting the benefit of this advice, and it turned out... OK. I learned a lot. Maybe I'll try it again, maybe not, but definitely not soon.
Yeah, it took me about 4 or 5 years before I got up the gumption to do it again... I shouldn't have let it intimidate me for so long, though, because now I feel like I could do it every day without any stress. Once you get the technique down, it's as simple as tying your shoes. But now I don't have any need to do it again. :)

Did you put a finish on the fingerboard? Or are you going with bare Rosewood?
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I'm thinking without the guard it looks like the guard's missing--probably because of the control plate shape.
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Mossman wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:13 pm Did you put a finish on the fingerboard? Or are you going with bare Rosewood?
I rubbed Old English dark touch up oil on it after radius-sanding it. It’s fine. I wanted a basic fretless P for home use, and it worked out well for a $70 pawn shop bass, but I’d probably be less content with it if I had started with a more expensive bass.
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Friedl wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:45 pm
Mossman wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:13 pm Did you put a finish on the fingerboard? Or are you going with bare Rosewood?
I rubbed Old English dark touch up oil on it after radius-sanding it. It’s fine. I wanted a basic fretless P for home use, and it worked out well for a $70 pawn shop bass, but I’d probably be less content with it if I had started with a more expensive bass.
I was going to use a two-part, pour-on epoxy. The kind that they use on bar, and table tops in restaurants. I decided to use it because I read that some big-time boo-teek builders use it on their fretless fingerboards. But thinking about all the work involved, with bastard files, and fre-cut paper made me say: "nope... polyurethane will be fine".
So I sprayed a few coats of poly, and it made the Rosewood look all yellow and gross...

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...so I said: "nope, oiled Rosewood will be fine", and proceeded to sand it all off and treated it with boiled Linseed oil. I'm thinking about putting a finish on it again, though... To get more "mwah".

Do you have rounds or flats on yours? I put rounds on mine at first, but I didn't like the way they felt or sounded on this bass, so I put a set of Ernie Ball Cobalt flats on it, and that was a better match. Makes the bass feel effortless to play. Those are my favorite flat-wound strings by far. They have almost as much growl as rounds without all the finger noise. I have those on my P-bass, and a Jaguar bass (with two Jazz pickups) as well. I've been playing bass for over 35 years, but I never tried flats until a few years ago. I didn't think I'd like them, but I do. I wouldn't put them on all my basses, though.
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Forecaster wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:20 pm I'm thinking without the guard it looks like the guard's missing--probably because of the control plate shape.
When I first built it, it didn't seem to lack anything to me, because as a bassist, Jaco's "Bass of Doom" loomed large in my life, and I was accustomed to seeing it. But once I put that a pickguard on it, I couldn't go back. Jaco may not have liked pickguards, but I do. :D

Most of the dilemma came from the fact that I never come across Jazz Bass bodies that are routed in such a way that you can go without a pickguard, and if I ended up regretting drilling holed in this one, I'd probably never find another body like it... unless I spent a lot of money and had one made.
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Mossman wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:19 pm Do you have rounds or flats on yours?
Coincidentally, I put the same cobalt flats on mine. First time I’ve used them. They are bright for flats, but not as bright as D’Adario Chrome Flats, which are my favorite. These are cool, but have that “rough” or “grippy” feeling that is can’t quite put my finger on, except to say that I like the feel of other strings better. D’Adario guitar strings used to have that same feel to me 5-10 years ago, though they don’t now. Maybe I’m nuts.

Here is the finished product, complete with the highest two frets using a different method than the rest as I settled into what I wanted on the fly, lol.
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