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Just saw a lefty Douglas version of the Harm on Reverb. Looks nice, but I already have a Harm. For any other lefties... I notice there appears to be superglue (without the soda) in the higher string slots of the nut. Otherwise dusty but attractive.

https://reverb.com/item/40511624-dougla ... fty-guitar

If that were a righty, I'ld have just bought it.

Methinks it would sell better if he got rid of those stickers.
I admit to being a Douglas fan (I own more of them than I do Agiles)
But when it comes to the Harm, I prefer the Agile dunno why, call me biased I guess?

Seller told me there is no super glue in the nut, so I presume what I saw there was shadows playing tricks in the photo. I agree @mickey that the stickers don't help. I'd take them off right away.

I wonder why that never showed up in my feed? I wouldn't have minded a humbucker version, mine are all P90s. A plain top too...

Didn't these sell for $170 brand spanking new?
To all the people who think Rondo-ware doesn't appreciate in value, take that!

mighty_duck wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 8:58 pm Didn't these sell for $170 brand spanking new?
To all the people who think Rondo-ware doesn't appreciate in value, take that!

Yup:

https://www.rondomusic.com/cetihum2tsleft.html

mighty_duck wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 8:58 pm Didn't these sell for $170 brand spanking new?
To all the people who think Rondo-ware doesn't appreciate in value, take that!

I do seem to remember that there was a pretty significant step down in quality/finish on these compared to the harm - rougher frets, etc. In any case, you are correct though - pretty much anything related to Rondo seems to have skyrocketed in value in the last year. Still not enough to convince me to unload my AL3K though

uwmcscott wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:54 pm
I do seem to remember that there was a pretty significant step down in quality/finish on these compared to the harm - rougher frets, etc. In any case, you are correct though - pretty much anything related to Rondo seems to have skyrocketed in value in the last year. Still not enough to convince me to unload my AL3K though

@honyock could comment on that as IIRC, he's had both the Agile and Douglas at one time or another. As for Agile used valuation, I can only comment on the lefty stuff but I'd have to say that generally speaking, over the last year, pricing on those has increased by probably 25-33%

@BatUtilityBelt , what say you?

There IS a difference, but I don't find mine to be objectionably lower quality. I'm keeping both of these:

tobijohn wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:17 pm @honyock could comment on that as IIRC, he's had both the Agile and Douglas at one time or another. As for Agile used valuation, I can only comment on the lefty stuff but I'd have to say that generally speaking, over the last year, pricing on those has increased by probably 25-33%

@BatUtilityBelt , what say you?

I have a couple Douglases (no Ceti though). I like my Agiles more than my Douglases, but that's probably a model-specific discussion. I brought up pictures of my Harm to compare side-by-side with the Ceti, and it didn't look like there is much compromised on the Ceti. I prefer the Harm's ebony fretboard and the graphite saddles, but I did consider the Ceti. I also shot the seller an offer, but he took a better offer. It went for more than its new price.

tobijohn wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:17 pm

uwmcscott wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:54 pm
I do seem to remember that there was a pretty significant step down in quality/finish on these compared to the harm - rougher frets, etc. In any case, you are correct though - pretty much anything related to Rondo seems to have skyrocketed in value in the last year. Still not enough to convince me to unload my AL3K though

@honyock could comment on that as IIRC, he's had both the Agile and Douglas at one time or another. As for Agile used valuation, I can only comment on the lefty stuff but I'd have to say that generally speaking, over the last year, pricing on those has increased by probably 25-33%

@BatUtilityBelt , what say you?

the biggest difference was the gawd-awful humbuckers in the Ceti. Typical Douglas slightly poorer fit/finish Nothing stick out in my memory about the rest of the guitar. It was a lot like my Douglas WNO-640 compared to my D'Angelico, Douglas is an overall great value, but the finish work like frets and attention to detail like binding, nut slotting, tuners/hardware isn't as good overall.

The Ceti of mine was also 1/2 that shipped to my house...I paid not much more than the price listed on this for my Harm.

Hard to believe these are the same guitar.

mickey wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 12:36 pm call me biased I guess?

@mickey you're Biased

thepezident wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:45 am

mickey wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 12:36 pm call me biased I guess?

@mickey you're Biased

Thanks. I needed that.

This thread is dredging up some old GAS fumes, I think if I ever did find a used Harm for a reasonable price i'd have to scoop it up.

uwmcscott wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:45 am This thread is dredging up some old GAS fumes, I think if I ever did find a used Harm for a reasonable price i'd have to scoop it up.

Good thinking! IMHO it is the best guitar Rondo ever sold.

mickey wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:47 am

uwmcscott wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:45 am This thread is dredging up some old GAS fumes, I think if I ever did find a used Harm for a reasonable price i'd have to scoop it up.

Good thinking! IMHO it is the best guitar Rondo ever sold.

Different strokes for different folks. And while for a semi hollow of unique style I would agree, I'm more of a solid body guy (though I like 'em all). So Rondo's most significant contribution to my stable was the KY1/ISIS/SIS, even though it was an SX design and not a Rondo original.

dabbler wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 11:47 am
Different strokes for different folks. And while for a semi hollow of unique style I would agree, I'm more of a solid body guy (though I like 'em all). So Rondo's most significant contribution to my stable was the KY1/ISIS/SIS, even though it was an SX design and not a Rondo original.

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I've got one of those that I put some Gretsch pickups in:

tobijohn wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:00 pm

dabbler wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 11:47 am
Different strokes for different folks. And while for a semi hollow of unique style I would agree, I'm more of a solid body guy (though I like 'em all). So Rondo's most significant contribution to my stable was the KY1/ISIS/SIS, even though it was an SX design and not a Rondo original.

IMGP1454a.jpg

I've got one of those that I put some Gretsch pickups in:

Kewl.

I've actually got a pair of naturals (a 22 fretter and a 24 fretter), but I had to change the bridge to get good action. and I found that I like an Alnico neck pup with a ceramic bridge pup in 'em:
Oh yeah, sorry for the hijack.

uwmcscott wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:45 am This thread is dredging up some old GAS fumes, I think if I ever did find a used Harm for a reasonable price i'd have to scoop it up.

Me too... I miss my 12-string Harm. If one of those came around, I'd probably buy it... But not for more than what it cost new.

I still have and love my Ceti. Got some sweet Harpmaster modern P90s in it and it just sings. It's one that I don't plan on ever giving up.

Hey Jeff Beck, good to see you! I have Harpmasters in my Alchemy Les Paul and they are wonderful. I had bought several sets from Tony back in the day and had some on the shelf. When my Alchemy arrived I did not like the pups that came in it. At that time I had discovered Buddha pups so I ordered a set from Tim. Meanwhile I had a gig and wanted to play the new Alchemy so I popped in a set of Harpmasters and I like them so much that they are still in there. No worries I had enough guitars with P90s to make use of the Buddhas. I had several sets of Harpmasters in guitars that I let sold. I regret not taking the pups out. I only have the one set in the Alchemy now and I do not use that guitar much anymore because it is heavy. A wonderful guitar but heavy. Maybe I should get it out and try it again since my heart has been fixed and I am strong again.

Back in the day i must have clicked on the rondo listings of the Ceti 100 times....but i never did pull the trigger, dammit.
I still do have my 1 douglas Gravity p90 $89 b stock. Id think its value has risen since then. The nicest sunburst finish ive seen, even to this day.

The Ceti wasn't around very long which was sad as I thought a more affordable Harm was a great idea but I did manage to snag this baritone version in sunburst as a bstock that I had refinished in a lake placid ish blue