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Some good reads in the description as well.

Beautiful!

30 minutes long, no thanks. Wires matter. Whether you can measure it or not does not matter. There are parameters test equipment can not see. There are also things test equipment CAN measure but you can not hear. Your mind also plays tricks on you, you can hear what you want to hear.

"Variable output impedance up to 1000 ohms, because a high output impedance can increase high freq losses due to wire capacitance'"

??? Wire capacitance where? He has a 1k pot on the output and calls that impedance when in fact he is just loading down the output stage which is most likely high impedance. Ahhmm, you should test cables like they are used .

Another you tuber who has read bits and pieces of books and puts it all together in his own mind, then tries to explain it to you.

“Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet” - Abraham Lincoln

There's a LOT of bullshit floating around in the audiophile world. Lots of snake oil. Lots of emperor's new clothes.

mozz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:29 pm

Another you tuber who has read bits and pieces of books and puts it all together in his own mind, then tries to explain it to you.

Actually not just another youtuber..
https://ethanwiner.com/music.html

Doug and I also started the company RealTraps to manufacture high performance acoustic treatment. This was a very successful venture with clients including Herbie Hancock, T Bone Burnett, NBC Universal Studios, Pixar, Microsoft, Georgetown University, Toyota, Subway, NASA, Google, William Morris Agency, Ogilvy & Mather, McGill University, Columbia University, TMZ, Berklee College of Music, US Army, Fox Sports, MIT, Timbaland, Epcot Center, Starz TV, The Onion, Oxygen TV Network, Dolby Labs, CBS News, Notre Dame, Sony Music Entertainment, VISA International, ESPN, Warner Brothers Records, NASCAR, Princeton University, American Public Medium (NPR), National Geographic Society, Amazon, and many others.

In 2012 I wrote my second major book, The Audio Expert which is now being used as the main text for the Audio Technology course at Notre Dame University, Tufts, and several recording colleges.

The best cable is the one that gets replaced for free every time it needs replacing.

Sinster wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:40 pm
Some good reads in the description as well.

That's some in-depth stuff right there! I never believed in magic cables, but it's interesting to hear technical confirmation.

Sinster wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:37 pm
Actually not just another youtuber..
https://ethanwiner.com/music.html

I could tell the dude knows his stuff. Some people just don't like to accept that they've been duped.

Sinster wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:37 pm

mozz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:29 pm

Another you tuber who has read bits and pieces of books and puts it all together in his own mind, then tries to explain it to you.

Actually not just another youtuber..
https://ethanwiner.com/music.html

Doug and I also started the company RealTraps to manufacture high performance acoustic treatment. This was a very successful venture with clients including Herbie Hancock, T Bone Burnett, NBC Universal Studios, Pixar, Microsoft, Georgetown University, Toyota, Subway, NASA, Google, William Morris Agency, Ogilvy & Mather, McGill University, Columbia University, TMZ, Berklee College of Music, US Army, Fox Sports, MIT, Timbaland, Epcot Center, Starz TV, The Onion, Oxygen TV Network, Dolby Labs, CBS News, Notre Dame, Sony Music Entertainment, VISA International, ESPN, Warner Brothers Records, NASCAR, Princeton University, American Public Medium (NPR), National Geographic Society, Amazon, and many others.

In 2012 I wrote my second major book, The Audio Expert which is now being used as the main text for the Audio Technology course at Notre Dame University, Tufts, and several recording colleges.

Ohhh, snap!

I got so confused I went wireless . So that way my sound is perfect. Damn dirty wires. Now I'm experimenting with the tone diff between Eveready duracell, sony nicad, nimh and lithium

nomadh wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:16 pm
I got so confused I went wireless . So that way my sound is perfect.

You wish.

To get perfect wireless sound, you need to make sure the air in the room is purified. The amount of humidity and ions will affect signal transmission, and if not perfectly controlled, your sound will suffer. You will need a very expensive de-ionizer, and also a de-humidifier.

In addition, microwaves (from cell phones, satellites, etc) will interfere to some degree with the signal transmission of your wireless audio system, so you will need to make sure the room is shielded from outside microwaves....and you will not be able to have your cellphone with you.

Lastly, UV light must be blocked out, if you truly want perfect sound. I found the that the sound in my listening room improved perceptibly when I blocked out the interference from sunlight. So you will need to make sure there are no windows, or if there are windows, that they are complately blocked up.

peskypesky wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:59 pm

nomadh wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:16 pm
I got so confused I went wireless . So that way my sound is perfect.

You wish.

To get perfect wireless sound, you need to make sure the air in the room is purified. The amount of humidity and ions will affect signal transmission, and if not perfectly controlled, your sound will suffer. You will need a very expensive de-ionizer, and also a de-humidifier.

In addition, microwaves (from cell phones, satellites, etc) will interfere to some degree with the signal transmission of your wireless audio system, so you will need to make sure the room is shielded from outside microwaves....and you will not be able to have your cellphone with you.

Lastly, UV light must be blocked out, if you truly want perfect sound. I found the that the sound in my listening room improved perceptibly when I blocked out the interference from sunlight. So you will need to make sure there are no windows, or if there are windows, that they are complately blocked up.

You're mostly right, but it's not the presence of ions that interfere with wireless transmission, but the charge of the ions. They have to have a negative charge. It's those extra protons that cause the trouble.

Also, you didn't mention anything about dust mitigation. You have to maintain something like a clean room environment for optimal transmission. Fortunately, negatively charged ions will help with that, and I happen to have a limited supply of industrial-grade negative ion generators (plated in 24k gold for maximum purity), which I'm making available to forum members for the special one-time price of $10,000 per unit (limit one per customer).

Sure, it's spendy, but isn't your tone worth it??

Mossman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:14 pm
You're mostly right, but it's not the presence of ions that interfere with wireless transmission, but the charge of the ions. They have to have a negative charge. It's those extra protons that cause the trouble.

Also, you didn't mention anything about dust mitigation. You have to maintain something like a clean room environment for optimal transmission. Fortunately, negatively charged ions will help with that, and I happen to have a limited supply of industrial-grade negative ion generators (plated in 24k gold for maximum purity), which I'm making available to forum members for the special one-time price of $10,000 per unit (limit one per customer).

Sure, it's spendy, but isn't your tone worth it??

ahh, I thought it was a given that listening rooms need to be dust-free.

as for the ions, I have found that the presence of ANY ions in the room will degrade the sound. Whether they are positive, negative, or neutral. The signal still has to move through them, and it will degrade as it makes its way through them.

People with crappy soundsystems won't notice. But if you have good ears and a good system, you will definitely notice how much better it is to listen to music in a pure ion-free environment.

I have also found that the gravity of the earth can negatively affect the movement of speaker coils, so it's best if your listening room is in a gravity-free environment.

^ but that's only if you want to hear the music the way the artists intended.

peskypesky wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:19 pm

Mossman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:14 pm
You're mostly right, but it's not the presence of ions that interfere with wireless transmission, but the charge of the ions. They have to have a negative charge. It's those extra protons that cause the trouble.

Also, you didn't mention anything about dust mitigation. You have to maintain something like a clean room environment for optimal transmission. Fortunately, negatively charged ions will help with that, and I happen to have a limited supply of industrial-grade negative ion generators (plated in 24k gold for maximum purity), which I'm making available to forum members for the special one-time price of $10,000 per unit (limit one per customer).

Sure, it's spendy, but isn't your tone worth it??

ahh, I thought it was a given that listening rooms need to be dust-free.

as for the ions, I have found that the presence of ANY ions in the room will degrade the sound. Whether they are positive, negative, or neutral. The signal still has to move through them, and it will degrade as it makes its way through them.

People with crappy soundsystems won't notice. But if you have good ears and a good system, you will definitely notice how much better it is to listen to music in a pure ion-free environment.

I'm sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong, and I'm afraid we're now required to engage in a heated, hair-splitting pissing contest that will ultimately descend into petty, ad hominem attacks, until one of us rage-quits the forum in a blaze of hurt pride and righteous indignation!

Mossman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:36 pm I'm sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong, and I'm afraid we're now required to engage in a heated, hair-splitting pissing contest that will ultimately descend into petty, ad hominem attacks, until one of us rage-quits the forum in a blaze of hurt pride and righteous indignation!

I'm too busy building my anti-gravity listening room to fight with you.

I started a thread on an audiophile forum about gravity's effects on audio. It's fun.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ ... ce.971523/

I don't care how one spends their money, but people should be aware that a lot of the hype is to make sales.

You you think the term "you get what you pay for" was from the end user.. hell no it was from a salesmen trying to push their higher price product for a better profit. A lot of these terms are meant to play into human behavior. Then pushed from the end user to quell their buyer remorse..

Sinster wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:20 am I don't care how one spends their money, but people should be aware that a lot of the hype is to make sales.

You you think the term "you get what you pay for" was from the end user.. hell no it was from a salesmen trying to push their higher price product for a better profit. A lot of these terms are meant to play into human behavior. Then pushed from the end user to quell their buyer remorse..

Wasn't [mention]peskypesky[/mention] in marketing? Those people scare me. "Used Cars" is a Kurt Russell movie from 1980 and mandatory viewing on the VCR when I was a teen. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

ID10t wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:43 am Wasn't @peskypesky in marketing? Those people scare me. "Used Cars" is a Kurt Russell movie from 1980 and mandatory viewing on the VCR when I was a teen. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

Yes, sir. I worked in advertising in NYC for 21 years. Major advertising agencies. I'm a marketing veteran. And I am amazed at how many gullible people there are. Willfully, stubbornly gullible.

That was some geeky shit. And I’m down with that but once I heard him mention AES I understood what was going on. I worked in the audiophile industry for a few years and totally get what he was taking about. The only time I heard an cables make a noticeable difference was going from copper to pure silver interconnect to speakers with a 20k setup. While it made a tiny audible difference, it wasn’t necessarily worth a few hundred dollars to achieve it. That was rare and most of the time we made custom length canare brand cables for the clients. In the end, cost doesn’t matter in the hi-fi world. These people are perpetually addicted to the next step in audio nirvana.

I know guitar cables have a similar cloud of mystery built upon the belief That one copper cable is better than another (like monster cables is a mark of true quality) we used to make fun of monster cable but they do have an image people trust. The video loosely talks about frequency respond etc. that’s a real factor with gauge and length but it’s definitely not a problem for our relatively lo-fi instruments and amps. Cool info though if you can stomach it. I made it about 8 minutes in


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It all works better on a flat earth!

peskypesky wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:59 pm

nomadh wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:16 pm
I got so confused I went wireless . So that way my sound is perfect.

You wish.

To get perfect wireless sound, you need to make sure the air in the room is purified. The amount of humidity and ions will affect signal transmission, and if not perfectly controlled, your sound will suffer. You will need a very expensive de-ionizer, and also a de-humidifier.

In addition, microwaves (from cell phones, satellites, etc) will interfere to some degree with the signal transmission of your wireless audio system, so you will need to make sure the room is shielded from outside microwaves....and you will not be able to have your cellphone with you.

Lastly, UV light must be blocked out, if you truly want perfect sound. I found the that the sound in my listening room improved perceptibly when I blocked out the interference from sunlight. So you will need to make sure there are no windows, or if there are windows, that they are complately blocked up.

Hmmmm, maybe the air is the reason my tone is


Dusty?

Now..I'm a relatively crappy player...only suitable for living room performances. But when I first got my little Mooer amp I was about to send it back because my high quality $30 coil cable was actually cutting in and out. Not having a proper spare, to test to see if it was the amp, I plugged in the only thing I had which was a 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch cable and used an adapter to plug into the amp..the result was 1) the amp worked fine and 2) the little cable offers no perceptible difference from a quality working cable.