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Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:24 am
by Tonray's Ghost
So I wanted to convert one wall switch (two rockers currently) to one rocker and one outlet....but when checking it out it seems there is only a hot and a neutral, which means no ground and I'm assuming it's not doable task them unless I were to run another ground wire to that switchplate ?
Any comments welcome.
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:16 am
by mickey
I wouldn't be surprised if you found only a hot wire at a switch. After all, you are only needing to open/close a circuit
so you don't need ground, neutral & hot to do that.
When dealing with wiring in conduit, why take more wires than you need to a switch. Wire cost per each in that application
why make the job more expensive than need be?
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:26 am
by Tonray's Ghost
Yeah...there is no metal jacket conduit either to run a ground off of...just a box in the wall and plastic conduit back to the panel. I was hoping maybe they had run a full complement ...this is for the wall next to the dining room table...often use the induction cooker for hotpot right at the table and currently no nearby outlet..have to run a power strip and play jump rope with the cord cutting off part of the kitchen access. Maybe time to move the dining room table
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:10 am
by mickey
For lighting only you do not heed as large a breaker nor wiring as you do for a circuit with outlets.
Tennessee Code lets you use 10 amp breaker & wiring for a lighting only circuit.
But the moment you add an outlet all the wiring has to be upgraded to 15 amp & a 15 amp breaker installed.
I dunno anything about Thai codes but wouldn't be surprised if the same is true there.
In other words, a lighting circuit may not be up to running an induction cooker.
Dunno about you but I love induction cookers! How do people get along without them?
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:17 am
by mindwave
one important lesson i earned as a young lad about outets
you stick a butter knife in the outlet (because it fits perfectly) youre going to get shocked.
Now you MAY not remember this, so write it down, so you dont do it again several months later.....or so i heard
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:21 am
by aullucci
mindwave wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:17 am
one important lesson i earned as a young lad about outets
you stick a butter knife in the outlet (because it fits perfectly) youre going to get shocked.
Now you MAY not remember this, so write it down, so you dont do it again several months later.....or so i heard
I heard the same thing about keys. My mom never let that great aunt watch me alone again...
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:47 pm
by Tiga
So is there one hot and one neutral connected to each switch? If so then I'm thinking the power source is running to the light fixture(s) first. Not sure you can connect an outlet off of those as the switch would then kill the outlet too. (I'm not an electrician but I play one on tv).
Tonray's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:24 am
So I wanted to convert one wall switch (two rockers currently) to one rocker and one outlet....but when checking it out it seems there is only a hot and a neutral, which means no ground and I'm assuming it's not doable task them unless I were to run another ground wire to that switchplate ?
Any comments welcome.
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:55 pm
by ID10t
It can be done but you would need to get into the fixture can and upgrade your amp breaker.
Because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done. How much to have an outlet run from the fuse box or off another outlet somewhere that isn't overloaded?
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:47 pm
by Tonray's Ghost
ID10t wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:55 pm
It can be done but you would need to get into the fixture can and upgrade your amp breaker.
Because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done. How much to have an outlet run from the fuse box or off another outlet somewhere that isn't overloaded?
It wouldn't be all that much....the panel is very near to that wall anyway...but the main issue is these walls are cast reinforced concrete and lots of cutting and making a mess would ensue...I don't know how they would do it though...there really is no 'space' behind the walls or studs as in western housing...I have an outlet on the ceiling not far away...I think I'm just going to either run a power strip from there...or piggyback off that to extend it to the other wall high up and paint the cabling and box wall color so it doesn't stand out.
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:14 pm
by ID10t
Tonray's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:47 pm
ID10t wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:55 pm
It can be done but you would need to get into the fixture can and upgrade your amp breaker.
Because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done. How much to have an outlet run from the fuse box or off another outlet somewhere that isn't overloaded?
It wouldn't be all that much....the panel is very near to that wall anyway...but the main issue is these walls are cast reinforced concrete and lots of cutting and making a mess would ensue...I don't know how they would do it though...there really is no 'space' behind the walls or studs as in western housing...I have an outlet on the ceiling not far away...I think I'm just going to either run a power strip from there...or piggyback off that to extend it to the other wall high up and paint the cabling and box wall color so it doesn't stand out.
Is it on a wall (or whole room) that would look good with Wainscoting and cut a channel for conduit? Or do some chair railing?
I have done some creative hiding of wires, just have to do things safely. Symmetry is the key.
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:03 pm
by Tonray's Ghost
ID10t wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:14 pm
Tonray's Ghost wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:47 pm
ID10t wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:55 pm
It can be done but you would need to get into the fixture can and upgrade your amp breaker.
Because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done. How much to have an outlet run from the fuse box or off another outlet somewhere that isn't overloaded?
It wouldn't be all that much....the panel is very near to that wall anyway...but the main issue is these walls are cast reinforced concrete and lots of cutting and making a mess would ensue...I don't know how they would do it though...there really is no 'space' behind the walls or studs as in western housing...I have an outlet on the ceiling not far away...I think I'm just going to either run a power strip from there...or piggyback off that to extend it to the other wall high up and paint the cabling and box wall color so it doesn't stand out.
just have to do things safely.[/quote]
I guess you have never been to Thailand...The neighbors behind me installed an outside outlet...piggybacked off the light fixture on the back of the house...yeah..you guessed it...no ground....I'm thinking I might not need any fireworks because 4th of July falls in the middle of rainy season...ha ha ha ha
Yeah...the GF asked me "why don't we just do that too ?"....explaining the whole 'death from electrocution' thing seemed to confuse her.....
Re: Wall Outlet Question
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:58 pm
by nomadh
One 9f those lightbulb adapters that has a plug on it
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That's how us giterdone rednecks do it.
