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Rollin Hand wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:00 am I admire his honesty that the washer is missing, but If he hadn't mentioned it I doubt anyone would have noticed.

toomanycats wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:24 am I really do struggle to understand human nature, it's motivations, primary driving purposes, and common foibles. Sometimes I think I've got a pretty good handle on it . . . but then I come across things like this.

Guy lists an ultra high dollar PRS on craigslist, asking 15K for the guitar, and then includes in the description the fact that it's missing a tiny washer that would cost him 10 cents to replace, even providing a diagram of said missing washer.

He could buy a pack of ten of those washers in a little plastic bag at Home Depot for 1 buck, and it would take him less than five minutes to install the thing. But instead he opts to list his guitar for 15K, while giving away as a bargaining chip to any prospective buyer the knowledge that it's missing a part.

I struggle to understand this one. One could speculate that he doesn't have the time to replace the washer, which is hardly believable. I mean, he had the time to list it on craigslist, and take the photos, including one which highlights the missing washer. It would have taken as much time to replace the washer as it did to take the pic highlighting the fact that the washer is missing.

Just taking a wild guess here, but maybe the guy is a rich lawyer or doctor or something, is completely inept with tools, has no knowledge that "righty it tightly and lefty is loosely," the type who takes his guitar to a tech for a string change, and they simply have money to burn.

Here's another theory: He goes out of his way to say that the guitar is sold "As is," which I read as an admission that he explicitly knows that buyers will point out that the washer is missing, and that he is preemptively saying "I know the washer is missing, and that's already baked into the price I'm asking." It could be that this guy likes the agon of the power struggle, the art the haggle, and that he is intentionally setting it up to gratify his need to engage in hard negotiation, even giving himself a handicap.

How else would you explain this?


https://charlotte.craigslist.org/msg/d/ ... 90385.html


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toomanycats wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:04 am I hadn't thought of the simple explanation that he knows what it's worth, he's an honest guy, and there's nothing nefarious going on.

BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:26 am This doesn't apply as well to a CL ad, because the assumption is you can check out the gear in person. But I tend to not bother with any gear listed "As is". That is legalese for "if you can't find what's wrong before buying, it's your problem". If a seller doesn't say "As is", but does claim the gear to be in a specific condition, I expect that to hold true, even a couple days after the sale as I get to know the instrument.

All that is because there are plenty of people who try to sell broken gear without disclosing problems they know about.

slowhand84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:31 pm Actually these days "As Is" is primarily used in online listings because buyers are a little wacko and think they can return something purely due to buyer's remorse, not meshing with a neck profile, the guitar was listed as mint but they found a micro scratch inside a control cavity, or some other totally inane thing. More than a few friends I know list all their gear on Reverb with that categorization specifically because they have been the victim of these types of situations and dont want to deal with having to relist their stuff over and over.

slowhand84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:31 pm I avoid all of these migraines by only selling locally, luckily .

BatUtilityBelt wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:50 pm

slowhand84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:31 pm Actually these days "As Is" is primarily used in online listings because buyers are a little wacko and think they can return something purely due to buyer's remorse, not meshing with a neck profile, the guitar was listed as mint but they found a micro scratch inside a control cavity, or some other totally inane thing. More than a few friends I know list all their gear on Reverb with that categorization specifically because they have been the victim of these types of situations and dont want to deal with having to relist their stuff over and over.

Any seller is free to claim "As is", but I see it as a red flag. As a lefty, I've had to buy most of my guitars sight-unseen. I have also had to deal with serious undisclosed problems like most of us have. For me, "As is" is a trap, so it is a hard pass for me, no matter how good it looks otherwise.

slowhand84 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:31 pm I avoid all of these migraines by only selling locally, luckily .

Good idea, and I do find it easier to tell the good from the bad locally too. If only the lefty market existed locally here.

toomanycats wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:23 am This same PRS Super Eagle II is now re-listed on my local craigslist, though not at the bargain basement price of $15,000.

It's now being offered for $25,000!

Yep, you're reading that correctly. The price has been bumped 10K. And you still don't get the washer!

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/msg/d/ ... 93882.html

I recognize that this seller is a bona fide nutter.

jhull54 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:02 pm

toomanycats wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:23 am This same PRS Super Eagle II is now re-listed on my local craigslist, though not at the bargain basement price of $15,000.

It's now being offered for $25,000!

Yep, you're reading that correctly. The price has been bumped 10K. And you still don't get the washer!

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/msg/d/ ... 93882.html

I recognize that this seller is a bona fide nutter.

Hahaha...I think the guy is trolling. Maybe he's just lonely. Regardless, I don't think he has any intention of selling that guitar. The troll is now less believable since he hiked the price though.