About a year ago I purchased these Muslady wireless thingys to play guitar without cords. Worked great up close but when I move across the room...there was a weird artifact that I attributed to latency...so I rarely have used them at all. Fast forward to yesterday...I was out and about and bought a high quality guitar cable to see if I could reduce some of the single coil noise in my Strat clone seeing that the cable I have been using is quite thin and in addition uses an adapter to make the connection at the multi pedal.
Lo and Behold...the new cable being fairly long allowed me to play the guitar away from the little alcove the amp and pedal sit in and whadda ya know...that same artifact that I attributed to latency in the wireless duo was back ! So it turns out...the amp being nestled in a small alcove in my living room walled in on three sides...is bouncing the sound around these walls and when it gets to me outside the alcove...it sounds like crap. Moved the amp as a test and the crappy latency effect goes away...just goes to show, never assume anything !
I'm thinking I may need to do something like this: (as the amp sounds fantastic up close in front)
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:42 pm
by yesca
Yeah, it's very possible and brave of you to admit it! It's not an echo is it?
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:44 pm
by Tonray's Ghost
yesca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:42 pm
Yeah, it's very possible and brave of you to admit it! It's not an echo is it?
It's probably a series of echos and iterative reverberations culminating in crappy tone (to be distinguished from crappy technique). Sitting right in front of the amp sounds fabulous.
I should have known better because sitting at the wall mounted desk inside the alcove, when I sneeze, I literally have to mute the strings on the acoustic hanging on the wall next to the desk as the sound reverberates and is amplified by the soundhole. It's like a parallel universe for sound...
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:03 pm
by yesca
It's the doors, shuvvy . I don't remember what was happening at the time but I do remember coming across some material similar as those doors you've shown there. You could hear bits and pieces of some guitar playing that had been played before. How long before? Not too long, minutes maybe. Then we came across some other material (long forgotten) that actually contained within the walls actual sounds of ancient sword battles. No kidding. They sit in a museum as we speak but I can't remember which one.
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:15 am
by BatUtilityBelt
It sounds like the room needs significant treatment to be used for recording. Sound will bounce off many surfaces, especially walls and doors for as long as that energy has not been absorbed. Those reflections will be distorted by any surface irregularities, muddying them. The reflections will also combine in places (becoming louder) in an effect called standing waves. There are isolation boxes made to record amps in such situations, or you can treat the room instead. In the end, if you try to address the room, your living room will look a lot more like a studio than a living room.
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:56 am
by toomanycats
The sounds of ancient sword battles coming from the walls is so friggin' metal. I wish my studio did that.
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:44 am
by mickey
I've never experienced any issues with the Muslady wireless thingamies that I bought because of you @Tonray.
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:31 am
by Chocol8
Where my walls stand, the people battling in ancient times didn’t have swords. Then again my walls were built several decades after the last battles in the area anyway. I think the only sounds inside them are the occasional rodent that gets in.
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:48 am
by Tonray's Ghost
Chocol8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:31 am
Where my walls stand, the people battling in ancient times didn’t have swords. Then again my walls were built several decades after the last battles in the area anyway. I think the only sounds inside them are the occasional rodent that gets in.
I would recommend old fashioned cat gut strings to deaden the sound of those rodents
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:03 am
by yesca
There were several members here years back that didn't believe the doors contained sound. I showed them that they actually did and received about as blank stare as you could imagine. Some of the sounds contained were as about as mundane as you could get like, "George, are you going to take the trash out?" Other doors had very profound sound images.
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:54 pm
by Tonray's Ghost
yesca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:03 am
There were several members here years back that didn't believe the doors contained sound. I showed them that they actually did and received about as blank stare as you could imagine. Some of the sounds contained were as about as mundane as you could get like, "George, are you going to take the trash out?" Other doors had very profound sound images.
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:07 pm
by yesca
Did you find a proof video, Tonray? The content isn't available due to my school admin's settngs.
Re: Odd Effect from Sound Reflection(s)
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:27 pm
by Tonray's Ghost
yesca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:07 pm
Did you find a proof video, Tonray? The content isn't available due to my school admin's settngs.
"PolterGeist" Scene where the kid Carol Anne speaks hauntingly from the other dimension...almost as scary as me playing an expensive guitar expecting to sound like the video ads....ha ha ha