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bleys21 wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:14 pm There was some hope by researchers that the Coronoavirus would mutate into a less deadly version, since that's what has happened with the flu and other viruses. It kinda makes sense, since if the virus kills its host, the chances of reproducing are zero, so, in theory, the less deadly versions will spread more successfully, since living hosts are better at propagating the virus.
well, in a sense, it already is a less deadly version:
"Data from early in the pandemic overestimated how deadly the virus was, and then later analyses underestimated its lethality. Now, numerous studies — using a range of methods — estimate that in many countries some 5 to 10 people will die for every 1,000 people with COVID-19. 'The studies I have any faith in are tending to converge around 0.5–1%,' says Russell.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2


Compare that to, say, ebola, which kills close to 50% of the people who get it.
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Better safe than sorry healthwise guys, stay safe out there. Keep your family and money safe too!

Fortunately the CV19 loss rate is only 0.26% and dropping for months now. Positive tests went up, however CDC says the tests even count the common cold. IE, the actual CV19 cases we have are tiny compared to what the news reports for all coronaviruses.

If you look at who was just arrested, and who that person is connected to, you will begin to understand why the news does what it does. Meanwhile, be kind to your neighbor! :)
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NYSE stock exchange holiday today Friday 3 July 2020.
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"The coronavirus may have mutated to become more infectious, Dr. Anthony Fauci says"

yesterday's news
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Partscaster wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:40 pm "The coronavirus may have mutated to become more infectious, Dr. Anthony Fauci says"

yesterday's news
"Upon microscopic examination, the mutated virus appears to be shaped in similiar fashion to an LP Studio. Gibson USA has initiated a 'Cease and Desist' lawsuit to prevent any such mutations from being sold and infringing upon Gibson copyrights. The virus could not be reached for comment
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That would also make sense. Ideally, any virus wants to spread as far and fast as possible. Not killing your host is important to that, as is not disabling your host, since they can't spread it as well. Seems like Coronavirus has the spreading part down, and is mutating toward the less deadly version. Eventually, I figure it will become very similar to the common cold...

Partscaster wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:40 pm "The coronavirus may have mutated to become more infectious, Dr. Anthony Fauci says"

yesterday's news
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bleys21 wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:12 pm That would also make sense. Ideally, any virus wants to spread as far and fast as possible. Not killing your host is important to that, as is not disabling your host, since they can't spread it as well. Seems like Coronavirus has the spreading part down, and is mutating toward the less deadly version. Eventually, I figure it will become very similar to the common cold...
Let's hope it evolves quickly! I want to travel again!!



"...generally speaking, viruses 'evolve to live with humans,' meaning they become less severe so the host can survive and allow the virus to spread more. 'It’s not in the virus’ interest to do too much damage to the host,' he said. 'It wants to survive.'"
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/who-say ... -form.html



There is some evidence that HIV may be getting less lethal.
https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practic ... adly-form/
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But....virulence CAN increase:

https://www.the-scientist.com/features/ ... tant-30219

"...nasty pathogens of birds and mammals evolved to become even nastier following six separate emergence events on three continents."
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"There is insufficient evidence to conclude that increased viral virulence leads to reduced transmission. For example, the 1918 influenza virus strain was extremely virulent, yet spread very efficiently among humans.

In today’s highly crowded and mobile society, even a very lethal virus can be transmitted well. Acute viral infections are preceded by an incubation period, during which virus is shed but symptoms are not yet severe enough to lead to hospitalization. And even a highly pathogenic virus will cause mild or no disease in some individuals – further increasing the chances of spreading infection.

It seems more likely that increased viral virulence could lead to better transmission. For example, a more virulent influenza virus might cause more coughing and sneezing, which would be more effective in transmitting infection."

https://www.virology.ws/2009/06/10/viru ... evolution/
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peskypesky wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:53 pm interesting summation
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibra ... adenovirus
I'm just hoping evolution will someday cause Peter Gabriel to get a better haircut....that forehead in your avatar is causing glare on my screen.
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Who was arrested? (I don't watch the news much)
PsychoCid wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:51 am
If you look at who was just arrested, and who that person is connected to, you will begin to understand why the news does what it does. Meanwhile, be kind to your neighbor! :)
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Tiga wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:13 am Who was arrested? (I don't watch the news much)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogo ... 3dbd834cc2

Ghislaine Maxell. Epstein's gf and accomplice. And a friend of Trump and Clinton.

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If she fully cooperates with the authorities, its going to be a bloodbath for a bunch of the high rollers from Hollywood to both political parties.
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bleys21 wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:20 pm If she fully cooperates with the authorities, its going to be a bloodbath for a bunch of the high rollers from Hollywood to both political parties.
nah. they''ll all be pardoned.
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Jee wizz, .... lets hope she doesnt strangle herself, or step on her own windpipe, when all guards are accidentally told to go home.
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bleys21 wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:20 pm If she fully cooperates with the authorities, its going to be a bloodbath for a bunch of the high rollers from Hollywood to both political parties.
Alan Dershowitz has apparently just published an essay strongly defending her...my guess is pre-emptively hoping it will lead her to leave out his name when she cuts a deal with prosecutors.
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Man, if she ends up dead too, the Clinton curse must be real.

I hope she does spill her guts on everything, as I'd love to see some of the human scum go down hard...
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Eastman Kodak. Remember them? They make camera film. The stock took off. Symbol KODK. They are considering making chemicals used in the production of generic drugs.
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Kodak: there are several bits of Kodak stuff floating around, no longer the monolithic thing it was.
One of these bits was rumored to be bought by some Asian fund or such, which did not include what is now known as "Kodak Alaris", a film division remnant.

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Told my buddy to hang on to Amazon. He sold it, it went up.

Told my buddy to buy a little gold. He didn't, it went up.

It's time for me to start throwing some serious coin at the market again, hm...
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Open G wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:10 pm Eastman Kodak. Remember them? They make camera film. The stock took off. Symbol KODK. They are considering making chemicals used in the production of generic drugs.
G...are you our previous mod??

Yeah I'm thinking Kodak could be huge again, we'll see what happens.
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PoodlesAgain wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:38 pm Kodak: there are several bits of Kodak stuff floating around, no longer the monolithic thing it was.
One of these bits was rumored to be bought by some Asian fund or such, which did not include what is now known as "Kodak Alaris", a film division remnant.

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The 765 million contract from the feds made their stock jump something like 1900% in 2 days.
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I thought we're talking about the Stock market, but I see a lot of stuff in here that isn't stock related.

Today the SP500 was up $1.25%. The top 25% of the SP500 by weight are firms that mostly did well recently and aren't too exposed to COVID hurting their business.
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Ok, time for pain:

I bought Amazon during their IPO. Sat on it for years as they built up and expanded, and never made any money. Then finally, they showed a profitable quarter, then year, then boom! Off they go. Then my oldest daughter is off to college, so I sell it to help fund that. Made a cool $50,000 profit. 2 years later, Amazon is trading 8x higher...if I owned it now, I'd be looking at $500,000. From 100 shares at IPO.

Ok, I'm sad now...

PsychoCid wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:53 pm Told my buddy to hang on to Amazon. He sold it, it went up.

Told my buddy to buy a little gold. He didn't, it went up.

It's time for me to start throwing some serious coin at the market again, hm...
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