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NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:23 pm
by BatUtilityBelt
A B&G Little Sister has been on my bucket list for years. I love P90s and I love semi-hollow electrics. I have 5 other semi-hollows, but this is my first with P90s. I thought B&G were overpriced when they came out, so I decided if I got one, it would have that not-quite-new discount. I've only seen a few lefties for sale ever, and they seemed overpriced for used too, until this one.

Two months ago the seller listed it for about $500 less than new and also included a hardshell case. That put it in the ballpark, but I still made an offer a few hundred lower, where I thought it would be a very good deal. He countered, I countered, but he declined my better offer, calling it a lowball. So I waited, and he lowered his asking price a bit, and it still stayed out there (like older listings tend to do). I shot him the same offer he had declined previously, with a note that "the market tends to agree Little Sisters are too expensive for what they are, and that new buyers tend to take a hit for that". This time he accepted my offer, so there is some hope in this market yet!

Being winter, I let it acclimate in its case for a few hours, then brought it out. That was a bit torturous waiting. This thing is light! 6 lbs, 6.8 oz to be precise. It's semi-hollow, not fully hollow, it has a center block that appears to be part of the mahogany body. The top is thicker than I expected, maybe 3/8". The body size seems to account for most of its lighter weight. It's kinda like a parlor sized LP special.

The guitar is just visually stunning. The original owner ordered it with an upgraded top and it's hard to not stare. I inspected it visually longer than I do for most, and only found one tiny ding in the fretboard that won't amount to anything at all - you have to really be looking for something to even find it. So the craftsmanship on this guitar is exceptional. I thought I found a finish flaw, but it was dried on polish that rubbed right off. This guitar is like new, so waiting for a used one may have paid off.

I tuned it and played unplugged to see how resonant it is. By the way, these tuners are pretty nice. The semi-hollow design lets it not sound wrong unplugged, but it wasn't anything to write home about either. It would work sitting in a hotel room, but I doubt I'd ever take this one on a trip.

Finally, I plugged in and dimed it. The pickups exhibit a bit more 60 cycle hum than I get from most of my other P90 guitars, but I realized they are also quite loud. Without any boost, they were easily getting into breakup territory, so I dialed it back just a bit, and the P90 hum was pretty reasonable then too.

I played a few pieces to get used to the neck because it's described as a soft-v shape. I can tell it is, but it's barely V. I have an old 1910-1920 guitar with a V that's really obvious, and the Little Sister V is maybe just a subtle nod to those times, not something that bothers my modern sensibilities. The neck feels good, but hard to describe. It's not thin, not baseball bat thick, just nice. The action is perfect. I have no idea whether that was B&G or the first owner, but it is perfect, with no buzzing anywhere.

I am really impressed by the touch-sensitiveness, messing with dynamics at clean to moderate breakup. You can control that all with just your intensity, and to my ears, it sounds great without effects. The neck pickup on its own is a bit dark, but that will work for a few things. In the other 2 positions, you don't miss any details at all. I can hear every tiny mistake I make.

So I dimed it and played some more aggressive stuff through a Klon clone and EQ, and it was easy to get just what I wanted there. I am floored, super happy with this thing until the high E string broke. Ok, here was a chance to try a string change, and it's not awesome on this slot-head. With the other 2 high strings in the way, this was a pretty clumsy operation, but it worked out. I guess when I do change a whole set, I will work from the outside strings in, to avoid complications. The string broke right at the ball end, and that's unusual to me. I'll have to wait and see whether there's anything I have to file down at the tailpiece.

Bottom line, I love this guitar and now feel like I underpaid. If you're listening Wade, that doesn't mean I'll add more money. I love a lot of my asian import guitars, so it surprises me that I still have a line above which I think prices for them are too high. Maybe that will have to change over time. Still, my wallet is very glad I waited, and I lucked out getting a seller who really took care of the guitar before I got it. I expected to get a bit more "woodiness" sound out of it, but there is some. It strikes me right between a solid body and a 335. I was hoping it was just closer to 335, but there is nothing in its sound I don't like. I will have to play pretty loud to see how much potential there is to play with feedback vs breakup, but I'd apparently need ear protection to take it there.
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Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:08 pm
by PsychoCid
Nice! Good job working the market too.

It's been years since I've played a V shaped neck and I'd certainly like to experiment with one again.

Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:22 pm
by slowhand84
BatUtilityBelt wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:23 pm A B&G Little Sister has been on my bucket list for years. I love P90s and I love semi-hollow electrics. I have 5 other semi-hollows, but this is my first with P90s. I thought B&G were overpriced when they came out, so I decided if I got one, it would have that not-quite-new discount. I've only seen a few lefties for sale ever, and they seemed overpriced for used too, until this one.

Two months ago the seller listed it for about $500 less than new and also included a hardshell case. That put it in the ballpark, but I still made an offer a few hundred lower, where I thought it would be a very good deal. He countered, I countered, but he declined my better offer, calling it a lowball. So I waited, and he lowered his asking price a bit, and it still stayed out there (like older listings tend to do). I shot him the same offer he had declined previously, with a note that "the market tends to agree Little Sisters are too expensive for what they are, and that new buyers tend to take a hit for that". This time he accepted my offer, so there is some hope in this market yet!

Being winter, I let it acclimate in its case for a few hours, then brought it out. That was a bit torturous waiting. This thing is light! 6 lbs, 6.8 oz to be precise. It's semi-hollow, not fully hollow, it has a center block that appears to be part of the mahogany body. The top is thicker than I expected, maybe 3/8". The body size seems to account for most of its lighter weight. It's kinda like a parlor sized LP special.

The guitar is just visually stunning. The original owner ordered it with an upgraded top and it's hard to not stare. I inspected it visually longer than I do for most, and only found one tiny ding in the fretboard that won't amount to anything at all - you have to really be looking for something to even find it. So the craftsmanship on this guitar is exceptional. I thought I found a finish flaw, but it was dried on polish that rubbed right off. This guitar is like new, so waiting for a used one may have paid off.

I tuned it and played unplugged to see how resonant it is. By the way, these tuners are pretty nice. The semi-hollow design lets it not sound wrong unplugged, but it wasn't anything to write home about either. It would work sitting in a hotel room, but I doubt I'd ever take this one on a trip.

Finally, I plugged in and dimed it. The pickups exhibit a bit more 60 cycle hum than I get from most of my other P90 guitars, but I realized they are also quite loud. Without any boost, they were easily getting into breakup territory, so I dialed it back just a bit, and the P90 hum was pretty reasonable then too.

I played a few pieces to get used to the neck because it's described as a soft-v shape. I can tell it is, but it's barely V. I have an old 1910-1920 guitar with a V that's really obvious, and the Little Sister V is maybe just a subtle nod to those times, not something that bothers my modern sensibilities. The neck feels good, but hard to describe. It's not thin, not baseball bat thick, just nice. The action is perfect. I have no idea whether that was B&G or the first owner, but it is perfect, with no buzzing anywhere.

I am really impressed by the touch-sensitiveness, messing with dynamics at clean to moderate breakup. You can control that all with just your intensity, and to my ears, it sounds great without effects. The neck pickup on its own is a bit dark, but that will work for a few things. In the other 2 positions, you don't miss any details at all. I can hear every tiny mistake I make.

So I dimed it and played some more aggressive stuff through a Klon clone and EQ, and it was easy to get just what I wanted there. I am floored, super happy with this thing until the high E string broke. Ok, here was a chance to try a string change, and it's not awesome on this slot-head. With the other 2 high strings in the way, this was a pretty clumsy operation, but it worked out. I guess when I do change a whole set, I will work from the outside strings in, to avoid complications. The string broke right at the ball end, and that's unusual to me. I'll have to wait and see whether there's anything I have to file down at the tailpiece.

Bottom line, I love this guitar and now feel like I underpaid. If you're listening Wade, that doesn't mean I'll add more money. I love a lot of my asian import guitars, so it surprises me that I still have a line above which I think prices for them are too high. Maybe that will have to change over time. Still, my wallet is very glad I waited, and I lucked out getting a seller who really took care of the guitar before I got it. I expected to get a bit more "woodiness" sound out of it, but there is some. It strikes me right between a solid body and a 335. I was hoping it was just closer to 335, but there is nothing in its sound I don't like. I will have to play pretty loud to see how much potential there is to play with feedback vs breakup, but I'd apparently need ear protection to take it there.
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Nice, I always liked these. The only negative to me is what you mentioned, the slot-head tuners are not fun...but once you've done it a few times you get the hang of it. Enjoy that beauty!

Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:42 pm
by toomanycats
Congrats!

I played a B&B Little Sister in shop a while back and was astounded when I looked on the back and saw the words "Made in China." First, because I assumed it was American made. Second, because of the 1K + price tag on a Chinese guitar. Third, because of how astonishingly good it was. I mean, I know the Chinese can make good guitars, but this one was clearly on another level.

Something about an import guitar, not Japanese, at this price, but this good in terms of construction, detail, playability, sound . . . my brain had a hard time computing it. It's the kind of experience that prompts a recalibration in how one considers valuation.

Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:47 am
by Partscaster
Those B&G have caught my eye for a few years. Never played one, but would like to.
Coincidentally I have a neck coming with another soft-v profile just moving into fretting process at the production shop.

I will say, the Chinese have moved into top awards positions with a few makers, and beating out all European and Japanese makers in global violin making contests. So, they quickly adjusted from "also ran" to best once those makers gleaned the minute details. They mastered it.

Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:59 am
by Rollin Hand
Your Little Sister sure is pretty...

HNGD!

Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:34 pm
by BatUtilityBelt
Rollin Hand wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:59 am Your Little Sister sure is pretty...
HNGD!
LOL, now I have to play a tribute song on her...

What about the neighbors, what they gonna say
Stop little sister, gettin' carried away
Hey, hey, hey, look at little sister
Hey, hey, hey, hey, look at little sister

Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:28 pm
by BatUtilityBelt
Following up a few weeks later. The guitar is still great overall - play, tone, looks except for one annoying detail... a single rusting ornamental part above the neck pickup.
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There is no rust on any other part of the guitar, so I'm pretty sure the problem is with the particular metal they used to make this part, plated or not. So I emailed B&G about the rust, and their response was this:

"I don't think it's rust, but oxidation. If you'd like, I'd be happy to sell you a replacement. $15.00 + $25.00 shipping."

They want to sell me a replacement for the part they made badly, and charge $40 for that. My answer to them quoted below pretty well conveys why I think B&G is a company that designs great guitars but may fail because of their support.

"No thanks. I am from America, where we believe if a part is made with defects, it should be replaced at no cost. And so you know, rust is oxidation - it's the same thing. The fact this part is rusting through a brass plating means the rust (oxygenated) layer was there before it was plated. That's a piss poor process you have there.

Now I have a CNC mill and a lot of brass stock on-hand. If I decide to replace the part, I am not going to pay your $40 for a similarly rusting part. Instead, I'll make one myself from pure brass and match the finish to other parts because I care about it lasting.

Another thing that could last is customer satisfaction. It's easy to maintain if you make enough money from good products, but if you try to charge as much as you can for every little thing, even fixing your own mistakes, that will not bode well in the long run."

Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:01 pm
by Partscaster
I imagine you have checked out if its just gunk, like finish wax from the last guy's sprucing it up, etc.
At least you have the know how to make a nice replacement.

If you like the way your part turns out, you should send them a pic and offer to make them top shelf versions for 399.99$.
Plus, $600.01 shipping.

Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:52 am
by BatUtilityBelt
I guess my response to B&G landed. This morning they offered to send a replacement part at no charge. I think it's great when companies are able to reconsider how they deal with people.

Re: NGD: B&G Little Sister

Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 12:14 pm
by BatUtilityBelt
So here's how screwed up the world currently is. Back in March, B&G told me they'd send me a replacement for the little brass plate between the fret board and neck pickup. More than a month passed, and it hadn't arrived, so I emailed them to ask if they sent it. They said they had, but they would FedEx another one. Three weeks later, I received the FedEx one, then about a week after that, finally received the first one they had sent by postal service. The postmark says it was "in the system" for 2 months! That's screwed up.
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