I wasn't considering buying one of these because I thought it couldn't be great at that $135 price. Time and curiosity wore me down. I didn't have a Deluxe (or knockoff), and none of my teles have trems. I finally realized there was nothing to lose just trying it out. I have a 12 string acoustic and an electric nylon string Hadean, and they're great. So I guessed at worst this would be a mod platform with a lot of options.
Before adjusting anything, the guitar played well out of the box, but wasn't keeping tune very well. My first guess was new, cheap strings. My second guess was a binding nut. My third guess was the trem maybe fitting loosely or needing a fulcrum screw adjustment. Finally, I found it... The tuners were not tightened down. That was easy to fix. I don't remember that happening with a new guitar, but voila - tuning stability.
I played some more and decided to lower the action, and that worked out well. No high frets (on a $135 guitar!). It doesn't even need the fret ends filed. After that, the neck felt just like my favorite Squier Classic Vibe 50's tele, which cost 3 times as much. The radius is flatter though. I lowered the pickups for better tone and they sound surprisingly good, and when not playing they're dead quiet. Good for blues rock. But if you gig, you'll hate these microphonic pickups. I like em for the interplay.
Ok, it's a keeper, so I took the plastic covers off, and adjusted the trem to a compromise between what I wanted and how well it could return in tune. It's tighter than I'd like, but works alright. I spent hours playing and tweaking. There is something wrong in the neck position, it sounded intermittently like it's shorting out, but not in the bridge. Just a tinge of lowering volume and crackle, definitely a short.
The morning after, I find the neck position is a completely dead circuit now. The bridge is fine, but the neck position issue needs a tear-down diagnosis and the pickups seem to be mounted to the pick guard. I'm guessing there's a cold solder joint in there somewhere that was happy for a few hours after coming off a hot UPS truck, but shrunk in the air conditioned house over night. So I need to consider what else I might want to do while I have it apart. It's not getting returned because it plays great. The rest can be fixed.
So it plays great, looks nice, and has great potential. It weighs only 6 lbs, 13 oz. I wouldn't mind finding it a better trem. I checked GFS, but the only lefty import trem that would have fit is out of stock. Despite the issues, I like this guitar a lot more than I expected to, and I am blown away by the value, so it will be worth an electronics upgrade.
It came double boxed, and UPS fired 2 shots at it but missed the guitar completely.
I plugged in and tuned, and put the trem arm in. It felt like the threads were cross-threaded, and I kept backing it out to check, but no, it's not cross-threaded. But it was pulling out what looks like waste pot metal (assumedly from the block) at the end of its threads.
I did a little work on that and now it threads in nicely, but that may be something someone would have returned it over. On the plus side, the arm stays where I put it and works.NGD: Hadean EG-491
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HNGD!
I love the color and the value.
A trem on a Tele isn't for me, but I am sure it can be blocked and decked. A Squire CV is about as skinny as I can stand for a Tele, so that is probably not a deal breaker for traditional Tele people. The flat radius may be. But for that price, you could custom order a Warmoth neck and still make out on the deal.
What does the back look like?
I love the color and the value.
A trem on a Tele isn't for me, but I am sure it can be blocked and decked. A Squire CV is about as skinny as I can stand for a Tele, so that is probably not a deal breaker for traditional Tele people. The flat radius may be. But for that price, you could custom order a Warmoth neck and still make out on the deal.
What does the back look like?
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I wouldn't call the neck thin exactly, just a touch thinner than medium C. I'm with you on preferring a chunkier neck, but this one does well. Here's that back. Pretty much a misshapen strat back.andrewsrea wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:19 pm HNGD!
I love the color and the value.
A trem on a Tele isn't for me, but I am sure it can be blocked and decked. A Squire CV is about as skinny as I can stand for a Tele, so that is probably not a deal breaker for traditional Tele people. The flat radius may be. But for that price, you could custom order a Warmoth neck and still make out on the deal.
What does the back look like?
Congrats! I have a handful of Hadeans, and have never been disappointed. Like you, I got my deluxe clone (an SX) as an experiment, And after changing the pups I'm glad I did (and I changed a few cosmetic things too)!
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Gorgeous, what a great red! I thoroughly expected to hate these pickups, but I'm not convinced I'll replace them. I will rewire the whole thing though. I just realized (with the neck pickup shorted out) that both tone pots work on the bridge pickup I will have to stop playing it long enough to open it up and see what's going on in there. But if I swap pots, mine will probably also get witch hat knobs.
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Quick follow-up. Kurt put up a B-stock of this same lefty for $99.95 with paint issues. While playing this one, I was thinking it would be nice if it had an arm contour and maybe a belly cut, and if I did that, I might as well repaint it surf green with a matching headstock. So of course, a B-stock that needs a refin just got ordered...
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Kurt's taking the long holiday and hasn't shipped last Friday's order yet, but that's ok. With the first AG-491's neck position shorting issue, I know I'm going to open it up and probably change the pots anyway. So I just ordered it a set of GFS pickups with a look (and hopefully tone) to match this design. With the July 4th discount, these were a steal.https://www.guitarfetish.com/KP--Vintag ... 21867.html
I'd love to hear what anyone who has tried them thinks of them.
I'd love to hear what anyone who has tried them thinks of them.
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1. Thanks for the review. I do have a Tele Deluxe and STILL struggle to not buy one of these SX or Hadean variants.
2. Good call on the GFS upgrade. In my opinion, it’s either Buddhas or GFS.
2. Good call on the GFS upgrade. In my opinion, it’s either Buddhas or GFS.
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Almost like a birthday, the B-stock EG-491 and the GFS pickups arrived today. The B-stock took even less setup effort than the 1st one. They play and sound the same now, amazing for the price. You'd think there'd be wild build differences in a budget unit, but the only way I can tell them apart is the plastic on the pick guard of one of them. While PRS is trying to convince us a Tele should cost about $3,000, I now have these two for a grand total of $235 for the pair, just awesome. I can't even tell they were used to mule cocaine into the country ( ), totally kidding.
Edit: Today (the day after), I discovered this one exhibits the same wiring fault as the first one, and it's hard to tell what's going on before I open them up. I've never had a guitar do this specifically, but both do it, so I'm assuming it's a build issue. The neck pickup cuts out intermittently. Sometimes it's just fine, other times it is crackly, and other times it is just not there at all. Since I consider these mod platforms, that's not a huge issue, but it is absolutely mind boggling to me that the same intermittent issue occurs on both. So both guitars definitely get rewired, and I get to discover how this issue occurs as I go.
The paint flaws that made it a B-stock are darn near insignificant, but I bought it with a refinish in mind, so that's the plan. It will get an arm contour and belly cut and the best paint job I can give it, with some electronics upgrades. As is though, I admit it already sounds better than a few guitars of mine I haven't upgraded yet.Edit: Today (the day after), I discovered this one exhibits the same wiring fault as the first one, and it's hard to tell what's going on before I open them up. I've never had a guitar do this specifically, but both do it, so I'm assuming it's a build issue. The neck pickup cuts out intermittently. Sometimes it's just fine, other times it is crackly, and other times it is just not there at all. Since I consider these mod platforms, that's not a huge issue, but it is absolutely mind boggling to me that the same intermittent issue occurs on both. So both guitars definitely get rewired, and I get to discover how this issue occurs as I go.